Author: Kurt Utzinger
Date: 12:14:48 09/21/02
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On September 21, 2002 at 14:57:18, Kurt Utzinger wrote: >On September 21, 2002 at 14:47:39, John Merlino wrote: > >>On September 21, 2002 at 14:37:04, Kurt Utzinger wrote: >> >>>On September 21, 2002 at 14:20:52, John Merlino wrote: >>> >>>>On September 21, 2002 at 14:08:33, Kurt Utzinger wrote: >>>> >>>>Are you certain that endgame databases were not used in the Fritz GUI in the >>>>second position? That is the only way that The King could "find the solution at >>>>once announcing mate". >>>> >>>>Otherwise, there is no reason to believe that The King would perform >>>>significantly better in the Fritz GUI than in the CM GUI, with the possible >>>>exception that the CM GUI might take a few more % (no more than 2 or 3 at most) >>>>of the CPU, depending on what windows you have open. >>>> >>>>I don't have Fritz, so I cannot make a comparison. However, if YOU have CM8000 >>>>as well as CM9000, then go ahead and try The King v3.23 inside the CM8000 GUI >>>>and see if the results are better than in the CM9000 GUI. I would bet that they >>>>will not be. >>>> >>>>jm >>> >>>The endgame databases were of course used in both cases (CM9-GUI and Frit7-GUI) >>>but since CM9 cannot access the Nalimov tablebases under Fritz7-GUI I am indeed >>>wondering about such differences. >>>Kurt >> >>So, you have a complete set of EGDBs for Chessmaster? Well done! >> >>Well, either way, as has been posted here before, The King does not use the >>EGDBs deep in the search, nor does the Mentor Lines window use them. >> >>If you have a complete set of EGDBs, and the position is down to five pieces or >>less, you can get the results from the EGDBs by either opening the "Coach" >>window, or just letting the Chessmaster personality (or any personality that has >>been given access to the EGDBs) play the game out to the end. >> >>jm > >No chance for Chessmaster 8000 under its own GUI to find 1.Kg2. And to your >question: I do not have the complete set of the EGDB's, only the ones delivered >with Chessmaster 9000. But it's nevertheless funny that under Fritz7-GUI the >engine (TheKing 3.23) finds the solution at once. I have carefully looked but no >hard disk lamp was flickering, not for a single moment, which is the case if I >use another engine like Hiarcs8 or Yace 0.99.56. This all is a mystery to me. >Kurt In the meantime I have further tested this position under Fritz7-GUI with tablebases deactivated and renamed the folders "tbs" to "xtbs" and "egdb" to "xedb". And in this situation, TheKing 3.23 does not play 1.Kg2 at once with mate announcement, but the engine still finds the winning move rather fast: Zugeordnete Felder 1.Kg2 - Cheron 0717 [D]8/4k3/3p4/3P4/2P5/8/8/5K2 w - - 0 1 Analysis by The King 3.23: 1.Ke2 Ke8 2.Kd3 Kd7 3.Ke3 Ke7 4.Kf4 Kf6 5.Ke4 Ke7 6.Ke3 Ke8 7.Ke2 Kd7 8.Kf3 Ke7 9.Kg4 Kf8 10.Kf4 Ke8 11.Kg5 Kf7 12.Kf5 +- (1.64) Tiefe: 3 00:00:00 +- (1.68) Tiefe: 22 00:00:23 6146kN 1.Kg2 Kf6 2.Kf2 Ke7 3.Kg3 Kf7 4.Kf3 Ke8 5.Kg4 Ke7 6.Kg5 Kf7 7.Kf5 Ke7 8.Kf4 Kf6 9.Ke4 Ke7 10.Kd3 Kd7 11.Ke3 Ke7 12.Kd4 Kd7 +- (1.78) Tiefe: 22 00:00:33 8613kN +- (1.79) Tiefe: 24 00:01:20 22170kN (Utzinger, MyTown 21.09.2002) Who is able to solve this mystery? Kurt
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