Author: Joachim Rang
Date: 12:30:35 09/21/02
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On September 21, 2002 at 13:39:17, Uri Blass wrote: >On September 21, 2002 at 13:00:05, K. Burcham wrote: > >> >> >>when I first learned that this statement is used and accepted often, I had to >>laugh. >>when anyone makes this statement, they are admitting that programs have enough >>problems that if a GM has the program before the match, that these problems can >>be discovered, and used during the match to play for the win. >>I find this amusing. > >The interesting match is when humans do not get a copy. >I could understand giving humans a copy if computers proved themselves to be >superior in normal conditions but computers still need to prove that they are >superior in normal conditions. > >I can add that the only way to beat humans who get a copy before the match is by >some non deterministic behaviour otherwise the human can learn the right games >before the match and the right games can be even games of the program against >itself. > >Uri > > this would mean, that one should be able to repeat "killergames" in an official match. Due to a big opening book and the right for the computerteam to choose the first move, this won't happen. > > > > >>I would give Kramnik 25 copies of the program on the hardware that will be used >>during the match. Then let Kramnik play to what he thinks he has discovered is >>the program's weakness. Then the programmer can go back and try to improve the >>program. >>"I have weaknesses in my program that in the last ten years I have not been able >>to improve on". "So I would like to fool everyone in believing that my program >>can beat the GM by not letting him play my program before the match". >> >>I think everyone here understands why some say this. I just think that those who >>have been taught to think this is the way it should be,are incorrect. >> >>In early developement stages in 70's, 80's, etc., I can understand why some >>would say this, many blunders and mistakes back then. Sometime we will see the >>day that these people will not say this anymore. Maybe too early to expect this >>for now. >> >>kburcham
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