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Subject: Re: CM9: something wrong with the GUI? (additional comments)

Author: Mike Byrne

Date: 14:32:53 09/21/02

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On September 21, 2002 at 15:14:48, Kurt Utzinger wrote:

>On September 21, 2002 at 14:57:18, Kurt Utzinger wrote:
>
>>On September 21, 2002 at 14:47:39, John Merlino wrote:
>>
>>>On September 21, 2002 at 14:37:04, Kurt Utzinger wrote:
>>>
>>>>On September 21, 2002 at 14:20:52, John Merlino wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On September 21, 2002 at 14:08:33, Kurt Utzinger wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>Are you certain that endgame databases were not used in the Fritz GUI in the
>>>>>second position? That is the only way that The King could "find the solution at
>>>>>once announcing mate".
>>>>>
>>>>>Otherwise, there is no reason to believe that The King would perform
>>>>>significantly better in the Fritz GUI than in the CM GUI, with the possible
>>>>>exception that the CM GUI might take a few more % (no more than 2 or 3 at most)
>>>>>of the CPU, depending on what windows you have open.
>>>>>
>>>>>I don't have Fritz, so I cannot make a comparison. However, if YOU have CM8000
>>>>>as well as CM9000, then go ahead and try The King v3.23 inside the CM8000 GUI
>>>>>and see if the results are better than in the CM9000 GUI. I would bet that they
>>>>>will not be.
>>>>>
>>>>>jm
>>>>
>>>>The endgame databases were of course used in both cases (CM9-GUI and Frit7-GUI)
>>>>but since CM9 cannot access the Nalimov tablebases under Fritz7-GUI I am indeed
>>>>wondering about such differences.
>>>>Kurt
>>>
>>>So, you have a complete set of EGDBs for Chessmaster? Well done!
>>>
>>>Well, either way, as has been posted here before, The King does not use the
>>>EGDBs deep in the search, nor does the Mentor Lines window use them.
>>>
>>>If you have a complete set of EGDBs, and the position is down to five pieces or
>>>less, you can get the results from the EGDBs by either opening the "Coach"
>>>window, or just letting the Chessmaster personality (or any personality that has
>>>been given access to the EGDBs) play the game out to the end.
>>>
>>>jm
>>
>>No chance for Chessmaster 8000 under its own GUI to find 1.Kg2. And to your
>>question: I do not have the complete set of the EGDB's, only the ones delivered
>>with Chessmaster 9000. But it's nevertheless funny that under Fritz7-GUI the
>>engine (TheKing 3.23) finds the solution at once. I have carefully looked but no
>>hard disk lamp was flickering, not for a single moment, which is the case if I
>>use another engine like Hiarcs8 or Yace 0.99.56. This all is a mystery to me.
>>Kurt
>
>In the meantime I have further tested this position under Fritz7-GUI with
>tablebases deactivated and renamed the folders "tbs" to "xtbs" and "egdb" to
>"xedb". And in this situation, TheKing 3.23 does not play 1.Kg2 at once with
>mate announcement, but the engine still finds the winning move rather fast:
>
>Zugeordnete Felder 1.Kg2 - Cheron 0717
>[D]8/4k3/3p4/3P4/2P5/8/8/5K2 w - - 0 1
>
>Analysis by The King 3.23:
>
>1.Ke2 Ke8 2.Kd3 Kd7 3.Ke3 Ke7 4.Kf4 Kf6 5.Ke4 Ke7 6.Ke3 Ke8 7.Ke2 Kd7 8.Kf3 Ke7
>9.Kg4 Kf8 10.Kf4 Ke8 11.Kg5 Kf7 12.Kf5
>  +-  (1.64)   Tiefe: 3   00:00:00
>  +-  (1.68)   Tiefe: 22   00:00:23  6146kN
>1.Kg2 Kf6 2.Kf2 Ke7 3.Kg3 Kf7 4.Kf3 Ke8 5.Kg4 Ke7 6.Kg5 Kf7 7.Kf5 Ke7 8.Kf4 Kf6
>9.Ke4 Ke7 10.Kd3 Kd7 11.Ke3 Ke7 12.Kd4 Kd7
>  +-  (1.78)   Tiefe: 22   00:00:33  8613kN
>  +-  (1.79)   Tiefe: 24   00:01:20  22170kN
>
>(Utzinger, MyTown 21.09.2002)
>
>Who is able to solve this mystery?
>Kurt

The mentor lines DO NOT ACCESS the EGDB. Using the the EGDB and having
Chessmaster 9K play white under the CM9K interface - it does find the mate
instantly.

Time	Depth	Score	Positions	Moves
0:00	EGDB	Mate30	0		1.Kg2
----	----	----	----		----



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