Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 20:29:10 09/21/02
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On September 21, 2002 at 13:00:05, K. Burcham wrote: > > >when I first learned that this statement is used and accepted often, I had to >laugh. >when anyone makes this statement, they are admitting that programs have enough >problems that if a GM has the program before the match, that these problems can >be discovered, and used during the match to play for the win. I think the _reason_ for this statement is not that the programs have a lot of weaknesses, which they actually do. Rather it is because the programs are helpless to "learn" anything on their own and once a weakness is found, the program will be helpless against that particular "plan". Programs will _always_ have significant weaknesses. The hope is that one day they will be able to recognize a weakness, once it causes a problem, and then somehow modify itself so that it won't fall for the same thing twice. I think _that_ is the issue here... As I have said thousands of times, computers and humans are simply so different in how they play the game, there is _no_ way to compare them in any manner, other than in OTB games... And even that can be "tainted" because of the machines lack of learning. >I find this amusing. >I would give Kramnik 25 copies of the program on the hardware that will be used >during the match. Then let Kramnik play to what he thinks he has discovered is >the program's weakness. Then the programmer can go back and try to improve the >program. >"I have weaknesses in my program that in the last ten years I have not been able >to improve on". "So I would like to fool everyone in believing that my program >can beat the GM by not letting him play my program before the match". > >I think everyone here understands why some say this. I just think that those who >have been taught to think this is the way it should be,are incorrect. > >In early developement stages in 70's, 80's, etc., I can understand why some >would say this, many blunders and mistakes back then. Sometime we will see the >day that these people will not say this anymore. Maybe too early to expect this >for now. > >kburcham
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