Author: Uri Blass
Date: 02:17:33 09/22/02
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On September 21, 2002 at 12:03:06, Terry Ripple wrote: >On September 20, 2002 at 23:36:56, Matthew Hull wrote: > >>On September 20, 2002 at 23:12:35, martin fierz wrote: >> >>>On September 20, 2002 at 18:44:59, Chris Carson wrote: >>> >>>>On September 20, 2002 at 16:52:46, martin fierz wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>>it was an even result, but not an even match. there's a big difference, and as >>>>>long as you don't look at the games, you will never see it... >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>I looked at the games and the results, however, what is your assessment? >>> >>>van wely self-destructed in game 1. to attempt to win an ending where you don't >>>really have winning chances and have very little time on your clock against a >>>computer is pure suicide (against a fellow human, why not - he is bound to make >>>mistakes too...). when you see a human do that kind of stuff, you know he is not >>>*really* prepared for a computer match, no matter how many training games he >>>played. i guess he never played really serious games, with time trouble and all, >>>else he would certainly have realized how dangerous this winning attempt was, >>>because he would have lost some of his training games in this manner. >>> >>>the other 3 games seem fair to me. if you ask me what i see in these 4 games, it >>>is that van wely should have won the match IF he had been in the right "frame of >>>mind" to play against a computer. >>> >>>you might say that van wely just blundered, as humans do, and that my argument >>>is wrong. but my argument is that van wely "blundered" long before his real >>>chess blunder by not taking an easy draw in the position with the 2B-Q by doing >>>nothing (i think he even declined a draw offer?!) - instead he went straight >>>into a situation which favors the machine: little time & tactics. and it's only >>>natural that he loses the game in this situation. >>> >>>my belief is that man-machine matches are all about who can force who to play on >>>his territory. which is IMO why white has had such a high winning %-age in >>>recent computer matches: van wely (100%! 4 games), gulko (75%! 8 games), smirin >>>(62.5% 8 games), same pattern in all, white is doing much better on average than >>>in "normal" computer-computer or human-human competition (i think about 55% is >>>normal). the extra tempo allows humans to play cautious setups as white, and >>>stay clear from tactics, while their attempts to do the same as black have been >>>unsuccessful to put it mildly :-) >>> >>>aloha >>> martin >> >> >>This is absolutely correct. It really is much easier to play anti-computer >>chess as white. >------------------------- > >I would like to see if White could play anti-computer chess against the "Center >Counter" >if he would play P-K4! Example: 1.e4 d5 2.Nf6! (not Qxd5)as Nf6 leads to a more >tactical game! After 1.e4 d5 2.e5 Nf6 white has a winning position. You did not say the move that white choose as second move so I assume that it is kramnik's choice. Uri
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