Author: Roger D Davis
Date: 12:11:51 09/22/02
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On September 22, 2002 at 11:05:47, Peter Skinner wrote: >This whole scenario with Ruffian is a tad rediculous. > >When I joined the computer chess circle about 9 years ago, I was amazed that >there were automated chess programs. Still today I find the hobby/sport >fasincating. > >About 4 yrs ago I tried to write my own program with help from the Crafty >mailing list, here at the CCC, from sources on ICC/FICS. When my program got >it's first draw vs GNU-Chess I was amazed and actually posted the game here and >bragged to everyone I knew. That was 4 yrs ago. > >Currently I no longer work on the program anymore and I doubt if it were to have >a rating of 1700. I am serious. It is horrible. I no longer work on it due to >work/time restrictions. > >I looked at every piece of code I could get my hands on to write the damn thing. >There are others here that have been working on their respective programs for >over 20 years ie. Robert Hyatt. > >People just take a step back and think. If _you_ were to write a chess program, >improved it's play to where _your_ program was beating the best this sport has >to offer, would you not "tell it on the mountain"? I sure as hell would, and I >know others would as well. That is something, as Robert said, someone would have >known about. NO ONE seems to know anything but how to say wait for a statement, >biography of the author, or even a release of the engine. That to me smells like >a rat. If it smells like it... > >To have a program pop out of no where and suddenly be the #1 program in the >world is just a tad to much. Hense the great amount of doubt surrounding it. >Not only do I find it hard to believe, I find it _very_ disrespectful of those >who are posting results for this _new_ engine that most consider totally false. > >If this is nothing more than a hoax I would recommend that those involved should >"let us all in on the joke" pretty damn quick. > >This is a COMPUTER CHESS CLUB. It has every conceivable author of a known chess >program here to talk about the subject, share ideas, and frankly just love the >hobby they have chosen. > >Personally if this _does_ turn into a hoax, and I am absolutely sure it will, >those involved should be removed from this board. Not only do they have people >like pavel all tied up in knots, you are showing little to no respect to those >who have worked very hard on their programs. > >I have already stated that I am beginning to think that this could be a hoax to >promote Arena. The only people that have either seen this damn program, or have >results for it are attached to that project. > >The only way that you are going to get the program is if you download the next >release of Arena. I find that odd. > >Peter (tell it like it is) Skinner Several years ago a fellow psychologist and I started a company called MusicRebellion.com. At the time, Napster was all the rage, and we were wondering whether we should attempt to write a file sharing program that would have better features, or whether we should simply set up a web page and attempt to vend digital music legally from there. That started my fascination with P2P programs and their developments, and I have followed it ever since. Recently, a new program just came out of nowhere to dominate the Gnutella scene. Check out www.Shareaza.com. Apparently, the program is better and more stable than other programs that have been in development much longer. At first, there was speculation that it was just another Gnucleus rip off (Morpheus had stolen Gnucleus code when they were kicked off the Fasttrack network). The thinking was, "Who in the hell could do so much good work so fast?" Well, turns out...Shareaza is for real, and people love it. I think an inspired programmer can seem to work miracles sometimes, particularly if he starts with a new and fresh perspective. Many times our own work becomes somewhat of an albatross, in that we're too involved trying to escape the constraints imposed by previous decisions to see the opportunity of beginning anew. Roger
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