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Subject: Re: ruffian position

Author: Will Singleton

Date: 09:57:04 09/23/02

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On September 23, 2002 at 12:35:19, Andrew Williams wrote:

>On September 23, 2002 at 12:25:01, Will Singleton wrote:
>
>>My first game with Amateur-Ruffian, and the following position arose.  10 secs
>>to find the win, looks like over a million nps (1.6ghz amd).  I tried Yace on
>>this, not even close.  I wonder what CT, Fritz or Crafty will do?
>>
>>Look at the speed at which it gets to 18 ply, with the score jumping to +5.
>>Looks pretty good to me.  btw, during the game (40 moves/4 min), using HT, I
>>think it found the move much quicker than 10 sec.
>>
>>[D]8/3R4/6p1/5n2/1K4p1/r2N1k2/5P2/8 b - - 0 1
>>
>>32406 <first : 11 157 688 8170317  Ra2 Rd8 Ra6 Kc4 Ra3 Ne5+ Kxf2 Nxg4+ Kg3 Nf6
>>34459 <first : 11 161 893 10645757  Ra1 Kc3 Ra6 Rf7 Ra3+ Kd2 Ra2+ Kc3 Ke4 Rf6
>>36041 <first : 11 163 1051 12528090  Ra8 Kc3 Ke2 Kb3 Rc8 Kb4 Rc6 Ne5 Re6 Rd5
>>36252 <first : 11 165 1071 12792218  Rxd3 Rxd3+ Kxf2 Rd2+ Kf3 Rd3+ Kf4 Kc3 g3
>>36492 <first : 12 167 1095 13100103  Rxd3 Rxd3+ Kxf2 Rd2+ Kf3 Rd3+ Kf4 Kc3 g3
>>36873 <first : 13 169 1133 13590317  Rxd3 Rxd3+ Kxf2 Rd2+ Kf3 Rd3+ Kf4 Kc3 g3
>>37664 <first : 14 204 1214 14638687 Rxd3
>>37674 <first : ++
>>38435 <first : 14 233 1291 15748916  Rxd3 Rxd3+ Kxf2 Rd2+ Kf3 Rd3+ Kf4 Rd1 g3
>>39647 <first : 15 255 1412 17401035  Rxd3 Rxd3+ Kxf2 Rd2+ Kf3 Rd3+ Kf4 Rd1 g3
>>41249 <first : 16 290 1572 19638104 Rxd3
>>41259 <first : ++
>>42631 <first : 16 515 1710 21654411  Rxd3 Rxd3+ Kxf2 Rd2+ Kf3 Rd3+ Kf4 Rd1 g3
>>46316 <first : 17 522 2078 26766445  Rxd3 Rxd3+ Kxf2 Rd2+ Kf3 Rd3+ Kf4 Rd1 g3
>>53026 <first : 18 522 2750 35978459  Rxd3 Rxd3+ Kxf2 Rd2+ Kf3 Rd3+ Kf4 Rd1 g3
>>Rg1 Kf3 Kc5 g2 Kd5 Kf2 Rxg2+ Kxg2 Ke5 Kf3 Kf6 Nh4 Kg5 Kg3
>>
>>(pv's are truncated for readability)
>>
>>Will
>
>This might just be some piece of knowledge? PM gets Rxd3 at ply 1. However, PM's
>score is nothing special and it's a lot slower than ruffian:
>
> 1b  +1.31   00:00:00.00        19   1...Ra6
> 1b  +1.37   00:00:00.00        41   1...Rxd3
> 1=  +2.08   00:00:00.00        76   1...Rxd3 2.Rxd3 Kxf2
> 2>  +2.08   00:00:00.00        80   1...Rxd3 2.Rxd3 Kxf2
> 2=  +2.08   00:00:00.00       107   1...Rxd3 2.Rxd3 Kxf2
> 3>  +2.08   00:00:00.00       127   1...Rxd3 2.Rxd3 Kxf2
> 3=  +2.08   00:00:00.01       192   1...Rxd3 2.Rxd3 Kxf2
> 4>  +1.72   00:00:00.01       542   1...Rxd3 2.Rxd3 Kxf2 3.Kc5
> 4=  +1.75   00:00:00.01       584   1...Rxd3 2.Rxd3 Kxf2 3.Kc5
> 5>  +1.75   00:00:00.01       724   1...Rxd3 2.Rxd3 Kxf2 3.Kc5
> 5=  +1.75   00:00:00.01      1228   1...Rxd3 2.Rxd3 Kxf2 3.Kc5
> 6>  +1.75   00:00:00.01      1452   1...Rxd3 2.Rxd3 Kxf2 3.Kc5
> 6=  +1.75   00:00:00.03      4122   1...Rxd3 2.Rxd3 Kxf2 3.Kc5
> 7>  +1.75   00:00:00.03      4700   1...Rxd3 2.Rxd3 Kxf2 3.Kc5
> 7=  +1.75   00:00:00.05      9285   1...Rxd3 2.Rxd3 Kxf2 3.Kc5
> 8>  +1.75   00:00:00.06     11461   1...Rxd3 2.Rxd3 Kxf2 3.Kc5 g3
> 8=  +2.17   00:00:00.12     27523   1...Rxd3 2.Rxd3 Kxf2 3.Rd2 Kf3 4.Rd3 Ne3
>                                     5.Rd6 g3 6.Rf6 Nf5 7.Rxg6
> 9>  +2.07   00:00:00.22     54067   1...Rxd3 2.Rxd3 Kxf2 3.Rd2 Kf3 4.Rd3 Ke2
>                                     5.Rd7 g3
> 9=  +2.10   00:00:00.22     54599   1...Rxd3 2.Rxd3 Kxf2 3.Rd2 Kf3 4.Rd3 Ke2
>                                     5.Rd7 g3
>10>  +2.10   00:00:00.26     66661   1...Rxd3 2.Rxd3 Kxf2 3.Rd2 Kf3 4.Rd3 Ke2
>                                     5.Rd7 g3
>10=  +2.10   00:00:00.40     99948   1...Rxd3 2.Rxd3 Kxf2 3.Rd2 Kf3 4.Rd3 Ke2
>                                     5.Rd7 g3
>11>  +2.10   00:00:00.52    133960   1...Rxd3 2.Rxd3 Kxf2 3.Rd2 Kf3 4.Rd3 Ke2
>                                     5.Rd7 g3
>...
>
>Same score & PV all the way down to depth 18
>
>Andrew

That's interesting.  I tested all my freeware engines, comet, yace, aristarch,
pepito, none of them could find it in under 2 minutes.  You must be right, it's
got to be endgame knowledge.

Impressive for PM.

Will




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