Author: Thomas Mayer
Date: 17:04:13 09/23/02
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Hi Daniel, > Having said that, I'm also sceptic so far. But as far as I can tell, the only > thing which really speaks against Ruffian being original work is the fact > that.. well.. it doesn't happen every day that a very strong engine appears > and most of CCC-readers didn't hear of it before. That surely says something, > but it's very well possible that Ruffian _is_ the exception here. well, that's nothing against you, but to be honest: I absolutely do not understand the discussion about Ruffian the last view days... Instead to be happy that there is something new and something strong, it seems that most of us here are searching for a way to claim or proof that it is a clone... After having played some games with the engine I am absolutely sure that it is no clone. Also it does not play from outer space, but Ruffian is really really strong. In two little privat tests against Fritz 7 (6,5 - 3,5 in favor of Fritz) and Hiarcs 7.32 (7 - 3 in favor of Ruffian) it shows that it can bite. Besides: "most of CCC-readers didn't hear of it before" - well, might be a good idea for all of you to look a little bit more around where the heart of amateur computer chess beats, like FICS and ICC... I don't know when it was that I see Ruffian the first time there, but it is not as new as some think... And it is not only myself who has seen that this program IS strong... (e.g. I remember that the programmer of Tao remarked some weeks ago that it is very strong) And: why do you guys think that it is only for the pro's possible to write such strong engines - who knows, maybe Per-Ola has found something new... A couple of years ago nullmove was something new and it was a big step forward for computer chess... I am absolutely sure that there are still many things to discover in computer chess, maybe not as revolutionary then null move but they are there... we have nowadays afaik only 3 (4?) real pro's in CC, like Franz Morsch, Stefan Meyer-Kahlen and Christophe Theron and then some semi-pro's like Amir Ban and his team, the Hiarcs programmer, Johan de Koning and the Gandalf Team... But we have for sure more then hundred amateurs -> that are over hundred brains with ideas... Anyway: let's play chess and let's be happy with the new wonderful engine... I really wonder why always when a new strong engine appears this discussion starts, having e.g. Searcher in mind. Even Yace was once accused... or, after the CCT4 I also got some accusations about my little Quark, someone thought that I had found a way to copy the Fritz book... what a nonsense... Greets, Thomas P.S.: Ah, some good news - after a longer discussion with my phone company I will get DSL now which means in germany that it is possible now for me to get a flat rate... which means: Quark will be back on ICC soon... :) Hopefully I will have some time for it during the winter - anyone already discussed about an upcoming CCT5 ??? :)
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