Author: Chessfun
Date: 02:31:04 09/25/02
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On September 25, 2002 at 05:23:33, Shaun Brewer wrote:
>On September 25, 2002 at 03:16:00, Shaun Brewer wrote:
>
>>On September 25, 2002 at 03:00:06, Chessfun wrote:
>>
>>>On September 25, 2002 at 02:44:48, Lex Loep wrote:
>>>
>>>>On September 24, 2002 at 20:49:13, Chessfun wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On September 24, 2002 at 19:44:13, Shaun Brewer wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On September 24, 2002 at 18:31:36, Chessfun wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On September 24, 2002 at 17:00:58, Shaun Brewer wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On September 24, 2002 at 16:07:04, Chessfun wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>On September 24, 2002 at 15:49:43, Shaun Brewer wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Jeroen,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>I believe I am using the default book. At least I have not changed anything
>>>>>>>>>>since the initial install of Rebel Tiger 11 and various patches from the
>>>>>>>>>>Lokasoft web site.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>I have got the Gambit book downloaded a while back - should I be using that? I
>>>>>>>>>>had thought that this may play more risky lines than was suitable for
>>>>>>>>>>computer-computer play?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>The rebel.bk file in the RebelTigerII directory is:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>size 6.64 MB (6,963,200 bytes) last modified 07 October 2000 15:16:50 this is
>>>>>>>>>>according to properties under win2k.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Wrong book.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Right book is ct.tbk Extra----options----books-----tick use engine books.
>>>>>>>>>You can naturally check this.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Sarah.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Sarah,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I do not have a ct.tbk file in RebelTigerII or any of its sub directories!?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I have just run CP5.exe (I must admit to only having run ERT in the past so I
>>>>>>>>had to run cp52regcheck.EXE as I was told I was running a demo version).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Anyway looked at Extra -- options -- books and this was set to use GUI books !!!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Do I have a problem?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Thanks
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Shaun
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Naturally with gui books ticked the wrong book is in use. For any Tiger engine
>>>>>>>ONLY engine books should be ticked and the book file should be ct.tbk.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Also if you have no ct.tbk on your pc I would simply install RebelTigerII again.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Good luck.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Sarah.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Sarah,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I have only been using the ERT tool and had therefore not seen these options. I
>>>>>>had incorrectly assumed that the default install would set up the provided
>>>>>>engines at their full strength.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Not so, in the case of the Tiger engines they are set at install with a minimal
>>>>>amount of Ram (hash)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Having had a quick play in CP5 I see the default engine was the Lokasoft one so
>>>>>>I selected Gambit Tiger II - unchecked 'Use GUI books' ticked 'Use Engine books'
>>>>>>in the list box ct.tbk is shown - however this file is not on my system I have
>>>>>>now searched all local harddrives and a file ct.tbk is not present however
>>>>>>Gambit Tiger II is playing from a book. Is this perhaps a name rather than a
>>>>>>physical file?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>No it's a physical file and if you installed RebelTigerII to default it would be
>>>>>located it C:\Program Files\Rebel\RebelTigerII
>>>>>I don't have no idea how the file can be shown if it's not anywhere on your PC.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Are we positive that when I set up an engine in ERT it is using the settings
>>>>>>from CP5 and using the GUI books?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Since you don't have a Ct.tbk and the book in use you wrote yourself was a bk
>>>>>file it must be using gui books. Plus you wrote "unchecked the gui books"
>>>>>indicating it was ticked. Also since Jeroen wrote the books he wouldn't have
>>>>>questioned which you were using.
>>>>>
>>>>>I didn't see anywhere in your post you refer to RebelTigerII which I'm assuming
>>>>>you have and since there is no Ct.tbk I would simply install it again.
>>>>>
>>>>>Sarah.
>>>>
>>>>Under ERT the engines alway use the engine books, this is not affected
>>>>by the GUI settings.
>>>>
>>>>If you can see the ct.tbk in the CP GUI than you can be sure the book
>>>>is there. The reason you can find the file is probably some windows
>>>>explore setting such as hiding the file extensions.
>>>
>>>
>>>Then something else is wrong, as looking at the very first game played shows it
>>>isn't Ct.tbk either gambit or normal.
>>>
>>>Event "ComputerMatch"]
>>>[Site "PIII 1133mhz 512mb ram*"]
>>>[Date "2002.09.23"]
>>>[Round "1"]
>>>[White "Gambit Tiger 2.0"]
>>>[Black "Ruffian 1.0.0"]
>>>[Result "0-1"]
>>>[TimeControl "300"]
>>>
>>>{ERT 0.8beta Autoflag=On Pondering=Off OperatorTime=300 mS } 1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6
>>>3. Bc4 Nf6 4. e5 dxe5 5. Nxe5 e6 6. O-O Bd6 7. Nf3 O-O 8. b3 Nc6 9. Bb2 e5
>>>10. d3 Bg4 11. h3 Bf5 12. Nc3 a6 13. a4 Na5 14. Nd2 Kh8 15. Qf3 Bd7 16. g4 Bc6
>>>17. Qe3 b6 18. Rfd1 Kg8 19. Kf1 Re8 20. Re1 Bc7 21. Ra2 Qd7 22. Nce4 b5
>>>23. Nxc5 Qe7 24. g5 Nd7 25. Nxd7 Qxd7 26. b4 bxc4 27. bxa5 Bxa5 28. Bc1 Rad8
>>>29. Ra3 Bb4 30. Ra2 Qd5 31. Ra1 Qg2+ 32. Ke2 Bc3 33. Ba3 e4 34. d4 Bxd4 35. Rg1
>>>Qf3+ {Score threshold reached} 0-1
>>>
>>>Sarah.
>>
>>Sarah,
>>
>>Thanks now you have confirmed that ct.tbk is not being used that one thing
>>eliminated.
>>
>>Here is the log for the game:
>>
>>16:09:33 Starting match: ERT 0.8beta Autoflag=On Pondering=Off TimeControl=300
>>OperatorTime=300 mS
>>16:09:33 Using start positions from: D:\Work\RebelTigerII\Nunn.pgn
>>16:09:33 On your marks .......
>>16:09:44 Game# 1 of 20 started Gambit Tiger 2.0 - Ruffian 1.0.0
>>16:09:44 -: 1. e4
>>16:09:44 -: 1... c5
>>16:09:44 -: 2. Nf3
>>16:09:44 -: 2... e6
>>16:09:44 -: 3. d4
>>16:09:44 -: 3... cxd4
>>16:09:44 -: 4. Nxd4
>>16:09:44 -: 4... Nc6
>>16:09:44 -: 5. Nb5
>>16:09:44 -: 5... Nf6
>>16:09:44 -: 6. N1c3
>>16:09:44 -: 6... d6
>>16:09:44 -: 7. Bf4
>>16:09:44 -: 7... e5
>>16:09:45 -: 8. Bg5
>>16:09:45 -: 8... a6
>>16:09:45 -: 9. Na3
>>16:09:45 -: 9... b5
>>16:09:45 -: 10. Bxf6
>>16:09:45 -: 10... gxf6
>>16:09:45 -: 11. Nd5
>>16:09:45 -: 11... f5
>>16:09:45 -: 12. c3
>>16:09:45 -: 12... Bg7
>>16:09:45 -: 13. exf5
>>16:09:45 -: 13... Bxf5
>>16:09:50 0: 0.64/11 5 14. Qf3 Be6 Bd3 Ra7 Nc2 Qg5 Nce3 Ne7 Nxe7 Kxe7 Nf5+
>>Bxf5 Bxf5
>>16:10:07 1: 0.26/10 16 14... Bg6 Nf6+ Bxf6 Qxc6+ Ke7 g3 Qd7 Bg2 Qxc6 Bxc6 Rab8
>>O-O-O Bg5+ f4 exf4
>>16:10:12 0: 1.38/11 5 15. Nxb5 O-O Nbc7 Rb8 b3 Rb7 Nxa6 Qh4 Nac7 Be4 Qe3
>>16:11:20 1: 0.91/12 67 15... O-O Nbc7 Rb8 b3 e4 Qe3 Nb4 Nxb4 Qxc7 Nd5 Qa5 Bc4
>>16:11:26 0: 1.58/11 6 16. Nbc7 Rb8 b3 e4 Qe3 Rb7 Nxa6 f5 Bc4 Kh8 Qe2
>>16:11:35 1: 0.91/12 8 16... Rb8 b3 e4 Qe3 Nb4 Nxb4 Qxc7 Nd5 Qa5 Bc4
>>16:11:40 0: 1.42/10 4 17. b3 e4 Qg3 Be5 Qe3 Rb7 Nxa6 Qh4 Nac7 Bxh2
>>16:11:44 1: 0.90/10 4 17... e4 Qe3 a5 Ba6 Nb4 Rc1 Nxa6 Nxa6 Rc8 O-O Bf5
>>16:11:51 0: 1.24/10 7 18. Qg3 Rb7 Nxa6 Qa5 Rd1 Ra8 Qh3 Qxa2 Nac7 Raa7
>>16:11:55 1: 0.90/9 4 18... Be5 f4 exf3ep Qxf3 a5 Ba6 Qh4+ g3 Be4 O-O Bxf3 gxh4
>>16:12:02 0: 1.20/11 6 19. Qe3 a5 Bc4 a4 O-O Na5 Qe2 Nxc4 Qxc4 Qh4 g3
>>16:12:07 1: 0.82/9 4 19... a5 h4 Rc8 Ba6 Rxc7 Nxc7 Qxc7 h5 Ra8 hxg6 Rxa6 gxh7+
>>16:12:21 0: 1.16/10 13 20. Rd1 Rb7 Nb5 a4 b4 Kg7 g3 f5 f4 Bh5 fxe5 Bxd1 Kxd1
>>dxe5
>>16:12:25 1: 0.60/9 4 20... Rc8 Nb5 Kh8 Be2 Qh4 Kf1 Rg8 Kg1 Bf5
>>16:12:31 0: 1.54/10 5 21. Nb5 Kh8 Bc4 Rg8 g3 a4 Nb6 Rb8 Nxa4 Qf6
>>16:12:50 1: 0.96/10 18 21... Kh8 Be2 Rg8 Qh6 Bg7 Qh3 Ne7 O-O Nxd5 Rxd5 Be5
>>16:12:55 0: 1.60/10 5 22. Bc4 Rg8 g3 Bf5 Rd2 a4 Nb6 Rb8 Nxa4 Qf6
>>16:13:03 1: 1.00/9 8 22... Rg8 O-O Bh5 Qxe4 Bxd1 Rxd1 Qg5 Re1 Qh6 g3
>>16:13:07 0: 1.66/9 3 23. Nf4 Bf5 Bxf7 Qg5 g3 Bxf4 Qxf4 Qxf4 gxf4
>>16:13:14 1: 1.08/8 6 23... Bf5 Bxf7 Rg4 g3 Qf6 Bh5 Rg5 Nd5
>>16:13:18 0: 1.96/10 4 24. Bxf7 Qg5 g3 Rg7 Bd5 Bg4 Ne2 Qxe3 fxe3 Bf3 Rf1
>>16:13:24 1: 1.41/9 6 24... Rg4 g3 Qe7 Bh5 Bxf4 gxf4 Rh4 Be2 Rh3 Qb6
>>16:13:31 0: 2.08/11 7 25. g3 Qf6 h3 Rg7 Bd5 Rg5 Bxc6 Rxc6 Nd4 Rc5 O-O a4
>>16:13:41 1: 1.56/9 9 25... Qd7 Bh5 Rb8 Bxg4 Bxg4 c4 Bxd1 Kxd1 Qg4+ Ke1 Nb4
>>Qxe4 Nxa2
>>16:13:50 0: 2.08/11 9 26. h3 Rg7 Bc4 Rf8 Nh5 Rg6 Rh2 Qe7 Kd2 Rg5 Bd5
>>16:13:54 1: 1.75/9 4 26... Bxf4 gxf4 Rg7 Bc4 Rg6 Qd2 Rd8 Qd5 Rg2 Nxd6
>>16:13:58 0: 1.82/12 4 27. gxf4 Rg7 Bc4 Rg6 Bd5 Rf8 Nd4 Nxd4 Qxd4+ Qg7 Qxg7+
>>Kxg7 Rd4 Rgf6 Bxe4 Bxe4 Rxe4 Rxf4 Rxf4 Rxf4
>>16:13:59 1: 1.75/9 0 27... Rg7 Bc4 Rg6 Qd2 Rd8 Qd5 Rg2 Nxd6
>>16:14:07 0: 2.24/11 7 28. Bc4 Rg6 h4 h5 Rd5 Rcg8 Nd4 Rg1+ Rxg1 Rxg1+ Kd2
>>Nxd4 Rxd4
>>16:14:11 1: 1.98/10 4 28... Rg6 Qd2 Rd8 Qd5 h6 Kd2 a4 Rhg1 axb3 axb3 Rf6
>>16:14:17 0: 2.32/10 5 29. Rd5 Rcg8 Kd2 Rf6 Nd4 Ne7 Nxf5 Nxd5 Bxd5 Qxf5 Bxg8
>>Kxg8
>>16:14:25 1: 1.85/9 7 29... a4 bxa4 Rf8 Rd2 Rff6 Bd5 Ne7 Bxe4 Re6
>>16:14:30 0: 1.90/11 5 30. b4 Rf8 Nd4 Nxd4 Qxd4+ Qg7 Qxg7+ Kxg7 Ra5 Rgf6 Ra7+
>>Kh6 Bd5 a3 Rg1
>>16:14:34 1: 1.59/9 4 30... Rf6 Rd2 Rg6 Nd4 Nxd4 Qxd4+ Qg7 Qxg7+ Kxg7 Rd4 Rg2
>>b5
>>16:14:38 0: 2.32/10 3 31. Qd2 Rd8 Nd4 Ne7 Ra5 d5 Bb5 Qc7 Nxf5 Rxf5 Qd4+ Kg8
>>16:14:43 1: 1.78/10 5 31... Rd8 Nd4 Ne7 Ra5 Rdf8 Nxf5 Nxf5 Qc2 e3 fxe3 Nxe3
>>Qxa4
>>16:14:50 0: 2.24/11 6 32. Nd4 e3 fxe3 Be4 Rg1 Bxd5 Bxd5 Ne7 Be6 Qe8 Qg2 Rg6
>>16:14:55 1: 1.85/10 4 32... Ne7 Ra5 Qc7 Bb5 Rc8 Bxa4 Qxc3 Qxc3 Rxc3 Nxf5 Nxf5
>>Ra7
>>16:15:01 0: 2.18/11 6 33. Ra5 Rdf8 Bb5 Qb7 Rg1 Bxh3 Qe3 Bd7 Bxd7 Qxd7 Rag5
>>16:15:04 1: 1.89/9 2 33... Qc7 Nxf5 Nxf5 Bd5 Re8 Rg1 e3 fxe3 Nxe3 Rg8+ Rxg8
>>Bxg8 Qb6
>>16:15:07 0: 2.36/10 3 34. Nxf5 Nxf5 Qd5 Rff8 Ke2 Rc8 Ba6 Rce8 Qc4 Qxc4+ Bxc4
>>16:15:11 1: 2.20/9 4 34... Nxf5 Bd5 Re8 Ra8 Rxa8 Bxa8 Re6 Bd5 e3 fxe3 Rxe3+
>>16:15:16 0: 1.98/10 4 35. Bd5 Re8 Ra8 Rxa8 Bxa8 Qc4 Bd5 Qd3 Rg1 Qb1+ Qd1
>>Qxd1+ Kxd1
>>16:15:19 1: 1.99/10 2 35... Re8 Rxa4 e3 fxe3 Nxe3 Ra8 Rxa8 Bxa8 Qe7 Qf2 Ng2+
>>Kd1 Nxf4
>>16:15:25 0: 1.52/10 6 36. Ra8 Rxa8 Bxa8 Qg7 Rf1 Qg2 Qe2 Qxh3 Kd2 Re6 Bc6
>>16:15:27 1: 2.00/10 1 36... Rxa8 Bxa8 Qg7 Kd1 Qg2 Re1 Re6 Bd5 Re8 b5 a3
>>16:15:28 0: 1.28/9 0 37. Bxa8 Re6 Bd5 e3 Qd3 exf2+ Kf1 Rf6 Kxf2 Ne7
>>16:15:35 1: 2.10/10 6 37... Rf8 Bd5 Qg7 Kd1 Qg2 Re1 Qf3+ Kc1 Rc8 Kb2 a3+ Kxa3
>>Rxc3+
>>16:15:38 0: 1.88/12 3 38. Bd5 Qg7 Kd1 Qg2 Re1 Re8 Kc2 h5 c4 Kh7 b5
>>16:15:47 1: 2.62/11 8 38... Qg7 Kd1 Qg2 Re1 Re8 c4 Kg7 Bc6 Rc8 Bxe4 Qxh3
>>16:15:52 0: 2.08/12 4 39. Kd1 Qg2 Re1 Re8 c4 Qf3+ Kc2 Qd3+ Kc1 Qa3+ Qb2+
>>Qxb2+ Kxb2 e3 fxe3 Rxe3 Rxe3 Nxe3 Be6
>>16:15:55 1: 0.00/1 3 39... Re8
>>16:16:01 0: 2.74/12 5 40. Re1 Qg2 Kc1 Qf3 Bc6 Re7 b5 Qxh3 Bxe4 Rc7 f3 Rc5
>>16:16:04 1: 3.03/10 2 40... Qg2 c4 h5 Qc3+ Kh7 Qf6 Qxh3 Qf7+ Ng7 Rg1 Qf3+ Kc1
>>Qc3+ Kd1
>>16:16:07 0: 2.92/11 3 41. Kc1 Qf3 Bc6 Re7 b5 Rc7 Rxe4 Qxh3 Re8+ Kg7 Qe1
>>16:16:09 1: 3.03/9 1 41... Re7 c4 Qf3 Kc2 Qg2 Qc3+ Rg7 Kb1 Qxf2 Rxe4 Qf1+ Kb2
>>16:16:13 0: 3.98/11 4 42. b5 Qg7 b6 Re8 Bxe4 Qf6 Bc2 Rf8 b7 d5 Qd3 Qd6
>>16:16:17 1: 4.06/9 3 42... Re8 Bc6 Rf8 Bxe4 Qxh3 Bxf5 Qxf5 Qxd6 Qxf4+ Qxf4
>>Rxf4 Re2
>>16:16:21 0: 3.92/11 4 43. b6 Qg7 Rxe4 Rb8 Rxa4 Qg1+ Kc2 Qg6 b7 Ne3+ Kb2 Nxd5
>>Qxd5
>>16:16:28 1: 4.61/9 6 43... h5 b7 Qxh3 Bxe4 Rb8 Bxf5 Qxf5 Qd4+ Kg8 Rg1+ Kf7 Rg5
>>Qe6
>>16:16:33 0: 5.60/11 5 44. b7 Qg7 Bxe4 Ne7 Re3 Rd8 Kc2 Qf6 Qd1 h4 Qh5+ Kg7
>>Qh7+ Kf8
>>16:16:36 1: 5.44/9 2 44... Qg7 Bxe4 Nh6 Re3 Qf6 Qd5 Qxf4 Qxh5 Rb8
>>16:16:39 0: 5.68/11 3 45. Bxe4 Ne7 Bc2 Rb8 Qe2 Ng8 Qxh5+ Qh6 Qxh6+ Nxh6 Re7
>>Kg8 Bxa4
>>16:16:41 1: 6.69/9 2 45... Nh6 Kc2 Qf6 Bc6 Rb8 Re8+ Rxe8 Bxe8 Qd8 Qd4+ Kg8
>>Bxh5
>>16:16:44 0: 6.20/10 3 46. Kc2 Ng8 Rb1 Rb8 Qxd6 Qe7 Qg6 Nf6 Qh6+ Nh7 Qg6
>>16:16:47 1: 8.00/9 2 46... Ng8 Qxd6 Rxe4 Rxe4 Qxb7 Qe5+ Qg7 Qxh5+ Qh7 Qxh7+
>>Kxh7 Rxa4 Kg6 Rd4
>>16:16:51 0: 8.54/12 3 47. Rb1 Qf7 b8Q Rxb8 Qd4+ Qf6 Rxb8 Qxd4 cxd4 a3 Kd2
>>16:16:53 1: 8.39/10 2 47... Qe7 Qd4+ Qf6 Qxf6+ Nxf6 b8Q Rxb8 Rxb8+ Kg7 Bc6 Kg6
>>Rd8 Kf5 Rxd6
>>16:16:58 Game ended 1-0 : Score threshold reached
>>
>>Hope this helps
>>
>>I will wait for Lex before I attempt a re-install
>>
>>Thanks yet again
>>
>>Shaun
>
>Correct log file:
>
>13:05:40 Starting match: ERT 0.8beta Autoflag=On Pondering=Off TimeControl=300
>OperatorTime=300 mS
>13:05:40 On your marks .......
>13:05:50 Game# 1 of 20 started Gambit Tiger 2.0 - Ruffian 1.0.0
>13:05:58 0: 0.16/11 7 1. e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 d6 d3 h6 h3 Nc6 Be3
>13:05:58 1: 0.00/1 0 1... c5
>13:06:03 0: 0.38/10 4 2. Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nc6 Bb5 Bd7 Nxc6 bxc6 Bc4 Nf6
>13:06:03 1: 0.00/1 0 2... d6
>13:06:07 0: 0.30/10 4 3. Bc4 e5 d3 h6 Nc3 Nf6 h3 Nc6 O-O Nd4
>13:06:07 1: 0.00/1 0 3... Nf6
>13:06:15 0: 0.28/10 7 4. e5 dxe5 Nxe5 e6 d3 Nbd7 Bb5 a6
>13:06:27 1: 0.25/10 12 4... dxe5 O-O e6 Nxe5 Be7 Nc3 O-O d3 Nbd7 Bf4 Nxe5 Bxe5
>13:06:33 0: 0.38/11 5 5. Nxe5 e6 O-O Nbd7 Qe2 Nxe5 Qxe5 Bd6 Qg5 O-O d3 h6
Gambit 2.0 has NO book loaded as it's pondering it's moves from move 1.
Sarah.
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