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Subject: Re: OT: New and final solution of the Monty Hall Dilemma

Author: Rolf Tueschen

Date: 15:42:21 09/25/02

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On September 25, 2002 at 15:27:18, Joachim Rang wrote:

>On September 25, 2002 at 15:05:03, Rolf Tueschen wrote:
>
>>On September 25, 2002 at 14:41:59, David Hanley wrote:
>>
>>>It's very very simple and well-understood.  You switch doors.
>>>
>>>Let's suppose you choose door 1
>>>
>>>If the prize is behind that one, and you switch, you lose
>>>If the prize is behind #2 the host opens door #3, you switch, you win
>>>if the prize is begine #3 the host opens door #2, you switch, you win
>>>
>>>You can make arguements about a manipulative host, but that is just pointless
>>>thrashing.  The problem illustrates a very important point about probability.
>>>
>>>dave
>>
>>Thanks for your opinion. But the point here is exactly if and why the
>>conditioned probability should be applied. You are a few steps too far already.
>>Of course if the questions have been answered in your favor then it's all
>>simple. Very simple. I don't have objections to that question.
>>But I see now how difficult the question is I asked.
>>
>>Therefore I'd like to remind you that I said, that the chances increased indeed
>>_both_ for your first choice and also the reamaining door. But why should your
>>first choice now be "influenced" or better "infected" by the "virus" or the past
>>situation of the one third? My point is that the actual situation with 2
>>remaining doors is relevant. And since you can be sure [in our thought
>>experiment] that the host is honest and does not influence you intentiously or
>>unintentiously you have the completely new situation now. No longer the 1/3 but
>>1/2 now.
>>
>>Or: Could you prove why conditioned probability should be applied in the case of
>>a unique situation??? (Also think of the roulette example with 10 times red and
>>still no increase for black for the next trial.)
>>
>
>You can't look at the situation after the host opened a door isolated. In this
>case history _does_ matter, because your first choice influences the decision of
>the host. The host can't decide prior to your decision which door he will open,
>because you may choose this door. So your first choice limits the options for
>the host (because he had to open one of the _remaining_ doors _and_ the wrong
>one).



Not correct. There are two doors. Both closed. For the case here with n=1 you
can't operate with probabilities from longer trials. Take a look into the table
at the end of my Monty-page. There you can see that already for n=9 you get zero
as a result for the confidence interval for no switches. If you lower n then you
might get negative signs. ;)

What does this mean?

For case n=1 you have no solution. BTW this is well known. After some lessons in
stats.

Rolf Tueschen

>
>This is the difference to the roulette example where one trial is _independent_
>from others. Here the decision of the host, which door to open isn't independent
>from your first choice and therefor probabilities changes.
>
>>Hope I could inspire you.
>
>so I do!
>
>>
>>Rolf Tueschen
>>
>>P.S. For those who think that this is all way off CC topics, I might remind you
>>of the importance of the questions of methods in statistics, in special in the
>>early stages when you must decide what you want to measure... Monty's Dilemma is
>>a good excercise for questions about SSDF etc.



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