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Subject: Re: Terry, by your own admission,No he did not admit in stealing

Author: Terry McCracken

Date: 14:58:32 09/29/02

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On September 29, 2002 at 17:09:42, José Carlos wrote:

>On September 29, 2002 at 13:06:27, Terry McCracken wrote:
>
>>On September 29, 2002 at 05:19:35, José Carlos wrote:
>>
>>>On September 29, 2002 at 04:12:48, Uri Blass wrote:
>>>
>>>>On September 29, 2002 at 02:22:54, John Smith wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On September 28, 2002 at 22:08:41, Terry McCracken wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On September 28, 2002 at 17:57:07, John Smith wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Hey Sparky (that fits you so wonderfully), the truth is an absolute defense
>>>>>>>against both slander and libel.  In your previeus post, you admitted to having
>>>>>>>pirated software on your computer.  Pirated software that you did NOT pay for.
>>>>>>>Therefore, you are a thief.  A crook.  A member of a most unsavory lot.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>warmest regards,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>:)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Coping CD's is common practise and is not the same as TRUE PIRACY, I'm NOT
>>>>>>SELLING this SOFTWARE!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Also 99% of ALL my software I purchased. All my COMMERCIAL CHESS SOFTWARE IS
>>>>>>PURCHASED!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I'm NOT a THIEF, I'm NOT a CRIMINAL! Also I've CONTRIBUTED THOUSANDS of DOLLARS
>>>>>>to CHESS,(HUNDREDS to ICD between 1990-1996), MOST of my CHESS WINNINGS from
>>>>>>TOUNAMENTS have been DONATED to further CHESS!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>YOU are a LOWLIFE BOTTOM FEEDER! I hope they DELETE YOUR ACCOUNT!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>YOUR DEFAMATORY REMARKS OTOH ARE CRIMINAL!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>We'll see what Steven Schwartz as well as the MODERATORS have to say on this
>>>>>>matter!
>>>>>
>>>>>In message number 254862 you stated:
>>>>>
>>>>>...
>>>>>Yeah I have pirated software. So what can you do about it? Nothing, you pompous
>>>>>ass!
>>>>
>>>>Having pirated software is not stealing(otherwise people can download nothing
>>>>from the internet because maybe it is pirated software).
>>>
>>>  I don't know if "stealing" is the correct word, but downloading pirated
>>>software is definetly illegal, IMO.
>>>
>>>>If someone downloaded some pirated software that he believes to be freeware
>>>>then he is not quilty.
>>>
>>>  Yes he is. If you do whatever illegal act, you're guilty. Not knowing you're
>>>doing it reduces the punishment, if you can prove you didn't know, but an
>>>illegal act is an illegal act. Otherwise people would argue not knowing the law
>>>and would therefore be inocent all the time.
>>>
>>>>It is also possible that someone sent you by email pirated software that
>>>>you did not ask about it.
>>>
>>>  Having an emailed program in your computer for a couple of minutes while you
>>>check if it's legal or not is no problem, as long as you soon delete it.
>>>
>>>>You can delete it from your computer but at least in the time that you got the
>>>>email and  did not have time to delete it you have pirated software.
>>>>
>>>>Other ways to get pirated software:
>>>>Suppose that your friend is playing in your computer with his CD and he
>>>install some pirated software.
>>>>You suddenly have pirated software.
>>>
>>>  Bad argument. Suppose that your friend brings some weapons to your house.
>>>Suppose that your friend kills a man and hides him in your house. Suppose that
>>>your friend robs a bank and hides the money under your bed...
>>>
>>>>In our world illegal copying of software is a normal behaviour and I believe
>>>>that there is almost no single poster who does not have friends that he knows
>>>>that they use pirated software.
>>>
>>>  No excuse. My due as a proffesional programmer is to warn my friends of what
>>>having illegal software means. It means, in the end, that the proffesionals like
>>>me lose the money we deserve for our hard work.
>>>
>>>>You can be against it(I am) but calling every illegal thing that people do a
>>>>crime is only a way to get enemies.
>>>
>>>  I don't know the exact definition of the word "crime", but it sounds too
>>>strong for piracy. It sounds like killing someone.
>>>
>>>>I am also against calling copying CD's that you are not allowed to copy
>>>>stealing(It does not mean that I support this illegal act).
>>>
>>>  It is stealing then contents of the CD.
>>>
>>>>I think that in most of the cases the person who did it was not going to
>>>>buy the CD even if he knew that he has no way to copy it so
>>>>noboody practically lost money from it when it is clear that in other cases
>>>>of stealing somebody lost money from it.
>>>
>>>  Bad reasoning Uri. If you work hard to write a program, so hard that it's an
>>>expensive product, you deserve whoever wants to use it that he pays for it. It's
>>>your right. If someone can't pay for it, he shouldn't get it illegally. It's
>>>unacceptable. The programmer migth decide to create a lite version for poor
>>>people, but that's the programmer's choice. Not having money to buy is not an
>>>excuse to steal. Period.
>>>
>>>>>Not only did you admit to engaging in criminal activity (according to US law,
>>>>>The Digital Millinium Act of 2000) but you insulted my good name.
>>>>
>>>>A crime by the hebrew definition is something that the maximal punishment for
>>>>it is at least sitting 7 years in jail.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Listen Terry, you can get hysterical all you want.  The more you post,
>>>>>the more obvious it becomes to fair minded and reasonable people just
>>>>>how deeply you are involved in criminal matters.  In fact, your admission
>>>>>on a public forum that you have pirated software is grounds for my
>>>>>notifying the FBI  about you.
>>>>>
>>>>>What do you think of them apples, sparky?
>>>>
>>>>The FBI has better things to do than looking for people who have pirated
>>>>software.
>>>>
>>>>If they arrest everyone who have pirated software then I guess that most of the
>>>>citizens are going to be arrested.
>>>
>>>  That would be fair, IMO. Our society is based on the principle that "I do some
>>>work for you, you pay me for it". If someone breaks that principle, he should be
>>>arrested and punished.
>>>
>>>>Almost everybody does in his life something that is against the low.
>>>>It is not a reason to call him criminal.
>>>>
>>>>Uri
>>>
>>>  Illegal acts should be punished to defend honest people.
>>>
>>>  José C.
>>
>>So you're saying _anyone_ who has a copied CD in their possession, from someone
>>else should be punished, jailed? C'mon, be realistic!
>
>  Did I say jailed?
>  Please, read my post again, I didn't.
>  But I want my job to be paid, not used for free. If work is not paid, nobody's
>gonna work.
>  Please, understand my point of view. I'm not saying that everyone that has a
>copied CD must go to jail. There're different levels of illegality. Some deserve
>jail, others just a fine. But if my work is not protected by the law and the
>judges, I don't want to do that job anymore.
>  I don't know what do you work at, but imagine they didn't pay you. You work;
>you don't get paid; that's what piracy does to us computer programmers. Think
>about it.
>
>  José C.
>
Jose I do think about it, and that is why 99% of my software is bought with cold
hard cash!

If a friend lets me copy an older game to use, well sometimes I do, but it's
not a big deal. I don't go seeking games to copy. I have more than enough;-)

Terry
>
>>Arrest Society! "Monty Python"
>>
>>Terry



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