Author: Terry McCracken
Date: 14:58:32 09/29/02
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On September 29, 2002 at 17:09:42, José Carlos wrote: >On September 29, 2002 at 13:06:27, Terry McCracken wrote: > >>On September 29, 2002 at 05:19:35, José Carlos wrote: >> >>>On September 29, 2002 at 04:12:48, Uri Blass wrote: >>> >>>>On September 29, 2002 at 02:22:54, John Smith wrote: >>>> >>>>>On September 28, 2002 at 22:08:41, Terry McCracken wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On September 28, 2002 at 17:57:07, John Smith wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>Hey Sparky (that fits you so wonderfully), the truth is an absolute defense >>>>>>>against both slander and libel. In your previeus post, you admitted to having >>>>>>>pirated software on your computer. Pirated software that you did NOT pay for. >>>>>>>Therefore, you are a thief. A crook. A member of a most unsavory lot. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>warmest regards, >>>>>>> >>>>>>>:) >>>>>> >>>>>>Coping CD's is common practise and is not the same as TRUE PIRACY, I'm NOT >>>>>>SELLING this SOFTWARE! >>>>>> >>>>>>Also 99% of ALL my software I purchased. All my COMMERCIAL CHESS SOFTWARE IS >>>>>>PURCHASED! >>>>>> >>>>>>I'm NOT a THIEF, I'm NOT a CRIMINAL! Also I've CONTRIBUTED THOUSANDS of DOLLARS >>>>>>to CHESS,(HUNDREDS to ICD between 1990-1996), MOST of my CHESS WINNINGS from >>>>>>TOUNAMENTS have been DONATED to further CHESS! >>>>>> >>>>>>YOU are a LOWLIFE BOTTOM FEEDER! I hope they DELETE YOUR ACCOUNT! >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>YOUR DEFAMATORY REMARKS OTOH ARE CRIMINAL! >>>>>> >>>>>>We'll see what Steven Schwartz as well as the MODERATORS have to say on this >>>>>>matter! >>>>> >>>>>In message number 254862 you stated: >>>>> >>>>>... >>>>>Yeah I have pirated software. So what can you do about it? Nothing, you pompous >>>>>ass! >>>> >>>>Having pirated software is not stealing(otherwise people can download nothing >>>>from the internet because maybe it is pirated software). >>> >>> I don't know if "stealing" is the correct word, but downloading pirated >>>software is definetly illegal, IMO. >>> >>>>If someone downloaded some pirated software that he believes to be freeware >>>>then he is not quilty. >>> >>> Yes he is. If you do whatever illegal act, you're guilty. Not knowing you're >>>doing it reduces the punishment, if you can prove you didn't know, but an >>>illegal act is an illegal act. Otherwise people would argue not knowing the law >>>and would therefore be inocent all the time. >>> >>>>It is also possible that someone sent you by email pirated software that >>>>you did not ask about it. >>> >>> Having an emailed program in your computer for a couple of minutes while you >>>check if it's legal or not is no problem, as long as you soon delete it. >>> >>>>You can delete it from your computer but at least in the time that you got the >>>>email and did not have time to delete it you have pirated software. >>>> >>>>Other ways to get pirated software: >>>>Suppose that your friend is playing in your computer with his CD and he >>>install some pirated software. >>>>You suddenly have pirated software. >>> >>> Bad argument. Suppose that your friend brings some weapons to your house. >>>Suppose that your friend kills a man and hides him in your house. Suppose that >>>your friend robs a bank and hides the money under your bed... >>> >>>>In our world illegal copying of software is a normal behaviour and I believe >>>>that there is almost no single poster who does not have friends that he knows >>>>that they use pirated software. >>> >>> No excuse. My due as a proffesional programmer is to warn my friends of what >>>having illegal software means. It means, in the end, that the proffesionals like >>>me lose the money we deserve for our hard work. >>> >>>>You can be against it(I am) but calling every illegal thing that people do a >>>>crime is only a way to get enemies. >>> >>> I don't know the exact definition of the word "crime", but it sounds too >>>strong for piracy. It sounds like killing someone. >>> >>>>I am also against calling copying CD's that you are not allowed to copy >>>>stealing(It does not mean that I support this illegal act). >>> >>> It is stealing then contents of the CD. >>> >>>>I think that in most of the cases the person who did it was not going to >>>>buy the CD even if he knew that he has no way to copy it so >>>>noboody practically lost money from it when it is clear that in other cases >>>>of stealing somebody lost money from it. >>> >>> Bad reasoning Uri. If you work hard to write a program, so hard that it's an >>>expensive product, you deserve whoever wants to use it that he pays for it. It's >>>your right. If someone can't pay for it, he shouldn't get it illegally. It's >>>unacceptable. The programmer migth decide to create a lite version for poor >>>people, but that's the programmer's choice. Not having money to buy is not an >>>excuse to steal. Period. >>> >>>>>Not only did you admit to engaging in criminal activity (according to US law, >>>>>The Digital Millinium Act of 2000) but you insulted my good name. >>>> >>>>A crime by the hebrew definition is something that the maximal punishment for >>>>it is at least sitting 7 years in jail. >>>> >>>>> >>>>>Listen Terry, you can get hysterical all you want. The more you post, >>>>>the more obvious it becomes to fair minded and reasonable people just >>>>>how deeply you are involved in criminal matters. In fact, your admission >>>>>on a public forum that you have pirated software is grounds for my >>>>>notifying the FBI about you. >>>>> >>>>>What do you think of them apples, sparky? >>>> >>>>The FBI has better things to do than looking for people who have pirated >>>>software. >>>> >>>>If they arrest everyone who have pirated software then I guess that most of the >>>>citizens are going to be arrested. >>> >>> That would be fair, IMO. Our society is based on the principle that "I do some >>>work for you, you pay me for it". If someone breaks that principle, he should be >>>arrested and punished. >>> >>>>Almost everybody does in his life something that is against the low. >>>>It is not a reason to call him criminal. >>>> >>>>Uri >>> >>> Illegal acts should be punished to defend honest people. >>> >>> José C. >> >>So you're saying _anyone_ who has a copied CD in their possession, from someone >>else should be punished, jailed? C'mon, be realistic! > > Did I say jailed? > Please, read my post again, I didn't. > But I want my job to be paid, not used for free. If work is not paid, nobody's >gonna work. > Please, understand my point of view. I'm not saying that everyone that has a >copied CD must go to jail. There're different levels of illegality. Some deserve >jail, others just a fine. But if my work is not protected by the law and the >judges, I don't want to do that job anymore. > I don't know what do you work at, but imagine they didn't pay you. You work; >you don't get paid; that's what piracy does to us computer programmers. Think >about it. > > José C. > Jose I do think about it, and that is why 99% of my software is bought with cold hard cash! If a friend lets me copy an older game to use, well sometimes I do, but it's not a big deal. I don't go seeking games to copy. I have more than enough;-) Terry > >>Arrest Society! "Monty Python" >> >>Terry
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