Author: José Carlos
Date: 15:17:34 09/29/02
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On September 29, 2002 at 17:58:32, Terry McCracken wrote: >On September 29, 2002 at 17:09:42, José Carlos wrote: > >>On September 29, 2002 at 13:06:27, Terry McCracken wrote: >> >>>On September 29, 2002 at 05:19:35, José Carlos wrote: >>> >>>>On September 29, 2002 at 04:12:48, Uri Blass wrote: >>>> >>>>>On September 29, 2002 at 02:22:54, John Smith wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On September 28, 2002 at 22:08:41, Terry McCracken wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On September 28, 2002 at 17:57:07, John Smith wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Hey Sparky (that fits you so wonderfully), the truth is an absolute defense >>>>>>>>against both slander and libel. In your previeus post, you admitted to having >>>>>>>>pirated software on your computer. Pirated software that you did NOT pay for. >>>>>>>>Therefore, you are a thief. A crook. A member of a most unsavory lot. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>warmest regards, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>:) >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Coping CD's is common practise and is not the same as TRUE PIRACY, I'm NOT >>>>>>>SELLING this SOFTWARE! >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Also 99% of ALL my software I purchased. All my COMMERCIAL CHESS SOFTWARE IS >>>>>>>PURCHASED! >>>>>>> >>>>>>>I'm NOT a THIEF, I'm NOT a CRIMINAL! Also I've CONTRIBUTED THOUSANDS of DOLLARS >>>>>>>to CHESS,(HUNDREDS to ICD between 1990-1996), MOST of my CHESS WINNINGS from >>>>>>>TOUNAMENTS have been DONATED to further CHESS! >>>>>>> >>>>>>>YOU are a LOWLIFE BOTTOM FEEDER! I hope they DELETE YOUR ACCOUNT! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>YOUR DEFAMATORY REMARKS OTOH ARE CRIMINAL! >>>>>>> >>>>>>>We'll see what Steven Schwartz as well as the MODERATORS have to say on this >>>>>>>matter! >>>>>> >>>>>>In message number 254862 you stated: >>>>>> >>>>>>... >>>>>>Yeah I have pirated software. So what can you do about it? Nothing, you pompous >>>>>>ass! >>>>> >>>>>Having pirated software is not stealing(otherwise people can download nothing >>>>>from the internet because maybe it is pirated software). >>>> >>>> I don't know if "stealing" is the correct word, but downloading pirated >>>>software is definetly illegal, IMO. >>>> >>>>>If someone downloaded some pirated software that he believes to be freeware >>>>>then he is not quilty. >>>> >>>> Yes he is. If you do whatever illegal act, you're guilty. Not knowing you're >>>>doing it reduces the punishment, if you can prove you didn't know, but an >>>>illegal act is an illegal act. Otherwise people would argue not knowing the law >>>>and would therefore be inocent all the time. >>>> >>>>>It is also possible that someone sent you by email pirated software that >>>>>you did not ask about it. >>>> >>>> Having an emailed program in your computer for a couple of minutes while you >>>>check if it's legal or not is no problem, as long as you soon delete it. >>>> >>>>>You can delete it from your computer but at least in the time that you got the >>>>>email and did not have time to delete it you have pirated software. >>>>> >>>>>Other ways to get pirated software: >>>>>Suppose that your friend is playing in your computer with his CD and he >>>>install some pirated software. >>>>>You suddenly have pirated software. >>>> >>>> Bad argument. Suppose that your friend brings some weapons to your house. >>>>Suppose that your friend kills a man and hides him in your house. Suppose that >>>>your friend robs a bank and hides the money under your bed... >>>> >>>>>In our world illegal copying of software is a normal behaviour and I believe >>>>>that there is almost no single poster who does not have friends that he knows >>>>>that they use pirated software. >>>> >>>> No excuse. My due as a proffesional programmer is to warn my friends of what >>>>having illegal software means. It means, in the end, that the proffesionals like >>>>me lose the money we deserve for our hard work. >>>> >>>>>You can be against it(I am) but calling every illegal thing that people do a >>>>>crime is only a way to get enemies. >>>> >>>> I don't know the exact definition of the word "crime", but it sounds too >>>>strong for piracy. It sounds like killing someone. >>>> >>>>>I am also against calling copying CD's that you are not allowed to copy >>>>>stealing(It does not mean that I support this illegal act). >>>> >>>> It is stealing then contents of the CD. >>>> >>>>>I think that in most of the cases the person who did it was not going to >>>>>buy the CD even if he knew that he has no way to copy it so >>>>>noboody practically lost money from it when it is clear that in other cases >>>>>of stealing somebody lost money from it. >>>> >>>> Bad reasoning Uri. If you work hard to write a program, so hard that it's an >>>>expensive product, you deserve whoever wants to use it that he pays for it. It's >>>>your right. If someone can't pay for it, he shouldn't get it illegally. It's >>>>unacceptable. The programmer migth decide to create a lite version for poor >>>>people, but that's the programmer's choice. Not having money to buy is not an >>>>excuse to steal. Period. >>>> >>>>>>Not only did you admit to engaging in criminal activity (according to US law, >>>>>>The Digital Millinium Act of 2000) but you insulted my good name. >>>>> >>>>>A crime by the hebrew definition is something that the maximal punishment for >>>>>it is at least sitting 7 years in jail. >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Listen Terry, you can get hysterical all you want. The more you post, >>>>>>the more obvious it becomes to fair minded and reasonable people just >>>>>>how deeply you are involved in criminal matters. In fact, your admission >>>>>>on a public forum that you have pirated software is grounds for my >>>>>>notifying the FBI about you. >>>>>> >>>>>>What do you think of them apples, sparky? >>>>> >>>>>The FBI has better things to do than looking for people who have pirated >>>>>software. >>>>> >>>>>If they arrest everyone who have pirated software then I guess that most of the >>>>>citizens are going to be arrested. >>>> >>>> That would be fair, IMO. Our society is based on the principle that "I do some >>>>work for you, you pay me for it". If someone breaks that principle, he should be >>>>arrested and punished. >>>> >>>>>Almost everybody does in his life something that is against the low. >>>>>It is not a reason to call him criminal. >>>>> >>>>>Uri >>>> >>>> Illegal acts should be punished to defend honest people. >>>> >>>> José C. >>> >>>So you're saying _anyone_ who has a copied CD in their possession, from someone >>>else should be punished, jailed? C'mon, be realistic! >> >> Did I say jailed? >> Please, read my post again, I didn't. >> But I want my job to be paid, not used for free. If work is not paid, nobody's >>gonna work. >> Please, understand my point of view. I'm not saying that everyone that has a >>copied CD must go to jail. There're different levels of illegality. Some deserve >>jail, others just a fine. But if my work is not protected by the law and the >>judges, I don't want to do that job anymore. >> I don't know what do you work at, but imagine they didn't pay you. You work; >>you don't get paid; that's what piracy does to us computer programmers. Think >>about it. >> >> José C. >> >Jose I do think about it, and that is why 99% of my software is bought with cold >hard cash! > >If a friend lets me copy an older game to use, well sometimes I do, but it's >not a big deal. I don't go seeking games to copy. I have more than enough;-) > >Terry Ok, I can live with that ;) José C.
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