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Subject: Re: moderation: _stop_ _this_ _now_

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 11:55:45 09/30/02

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On September 30, 2002 at 13:44:48, Terry McCracken wrote:

>On September 30, 2002 at 12:09:43, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>>On September 30, 2002 at 00:41:47, Terry McCracken wrote:
>>
>>>On September 29, 2002 at 23:28:31, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>
>>>>On September 29, 2002 at 11:11:19, Terry McCracken wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On September 29, 2002 at 04:55:40, John Smith wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>And according to our laws, with respect to intellectual property, you do not
>>>>>>require a showing of intent to prove criminal liability.  In other words, just
>>>>>>being in possesion of the pirated software puts you in a world of hurt.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>How do you think prosecutors here in the USA and overseas get to convict
>>>>>>pedophiles ?  The fact that they have images of children in sexually explicit
>>>>>>conduct in their computers, notwithstanding the defense of ignorance, is
>>>>>>evidence of criminal conduct.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Terry admitted that he had pirated software.  That admission, in and of itself,
>>>>>>would be enough to convict him.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>There is no such thing as innocent theft.  If you have any software in your
>>>>>>computer that is not distributed as freeware, and you have not paid for it, you
>>>>>>are a thief.  End of story.
>>>>>
>>>>>Then you better arrest society! 99.9% of ALL computer users have at least one
>>>>>copied programme!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>First, that is wrong.  I am responsible for several hundred computers and
>>>>not a _single_ one of them has software installed that is not 100% legal.
>>>>
>>>>Second, just because everyone else does it (your words) does not mean that
>>>>it is ok.   People rob banks every day.  It is _still_ against the law to do
>>>>so and you will go to jail if you are caught.
>>>>
>>>>Third, you admitted to having pirated software.  Then you get indignant when
>>>>someone takes you to task for doing so.  The question _must_ be asked, was
>>>>was the reason for making such an admission?  A troll?  Or what?
>>>
>>>NO IT WASN'T!
>>>>
>>>>In any case, I want this to stop now.  I don't want a bunch of complaints
>>>>clogging the email queue at my office...
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>You're calling me a theif Hyatt? Sure looks that way! If I have a couple of old
>>>games on my system _which_ isn't chess, but from friends and family, you are
>>>saying I can be arrested? Actually it's one, obsolete progamme!
>>
>>I'm not calling you _anything_ at this point.  _you_ said you had pirated
>>software, not me.  So if anything _you_ have called yourself a thief in a
>>public forum.
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>That's a load of crap and you know damn well I CAN'T be arrested!
>>
>>If you have software in your possession that you did not pay for, then
>>you certainly _can_ be arrested.  It is a criminal act in the U.S. to do
>>this and you can be prosecuted for it.  Just contact the software piracy
>>group and tell 'em what you've done and see if they think it is "ok"...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>This is SLANDER maybe I should slam a suit anyone who  would say I'm as guilty
>>>as a "Bankrobber" that is utter BULLSHIT!
>>
>>I don't believe you can file a lawsuit against yourself in the U.S.A.  So you
>>are not going to be able to sue the person that said you pirated software.
>>
>>Very funny....I'm not laughing! BTW I'm in Canada....the laws are different,
>anyways NO I can't be arrested over an old copied game, sorry sir you are wrong.
>
>If I sell said software, then you would have a point. I don't Pirate and Sell
>Illegal Software. BTW there is so much copied software around, it would be
>immpossible to police.
>
>You say you're in charge of over 100 computers...etc. but you're not talking
>about _a_ computer used for home use only and not business. There is a
>difference.
>
>I should have _Never_ used the word _Piracy_ as in fact I _Don't_ _Pirate_
>software, to set the _Record Straight_!

OK.. That is _all_ you should have said.  "I used a poor word choice."

And that would have been the end of the discussion...

I've done the same myself in the past.


>>
>>>
>>>I may afterall seek legal advice!
>>
>>That would be the wisest course of action you could take...
>
>Cute... Only if some attempts to levy charges against me.
>
>Or attempts to slander my _good_ name. Which in fact you pointed out to
>John Smith...whoever he is?! I hear him snickering in the background, at
>both of us!
>
>Terry
>


I'm not trying to "take sides" here.  Only to stop an out-of-control thread
that is generating several complaints...

>
>>
>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>You are calling not just me, but almost everyone who owns or uses a computer a
>>>>>crook!
>>>>>
>>>>>That is just plain stupidity!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>You're not suppose to tape movies on television either, but almost everyone with
>>>>>a VCR does.
>>>>>
>>>>>This doesn't make them criminals. If you sell, rent, charge admission for, or
>>>>>show these tapes publicly, then you have a case.
>>>>>
>>>>>End of Story!



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