Author: Vincent Diepeveen
Date: 06:39:40 10/01/02
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On October 01, 2002 at 09:25:17, Aaron Gordon wrote: >On October 01, 2002 at 07:54:15, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: > >>On September 30, 2002 at 09:09:12, Aaron Gordon wrote: >> >>>On September 30, 2002 at 04:11:57, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: >>> >>>>On September 30, 2002 at 01:43:52, Aaron Gordon wrote: >>>> >>>>>On September 30, 2002 at 00:21:12, Jeremiah Penery wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On September 30, 2002 at 00:05:40, Slater Wold wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>I got the annoucement in August that the 2600s would be coming out soon. It is >>>>>>>now September and they are barely rolling out. (As in, several vendors who are >>>>>>>selling them don't actually have them yet.) AMD is horrible about this. >>>>>>>Announce a chip, and 3 months later it hits the streets. >>>>>> >>>>>>Well, it's a paper launch, and most every company does it at some point or >>>>>>another. Does AMD do it more than most? I can't answer, because I don't keep >>>>>>track of those things. >>>>> >>>>>Intel does most of the paper launches. I the 2600+ is the only time I've seen >>>>>AMD try that. >>>> >>>>I remember a lot of other launches. The K7 was announced 2.5 years before >>>>it was on the market. specs were posted 1.5 years before it was on the >>>>market and then it still wasn't there. Now you can cry about intel delaying >>>>the K7 by some 'blackmail' (i do not know how to call it otherwise as >>>>my english is not too well; they didn't want to deliver their intel chipsets >>>>to mainboard manufacturers who wanted to make K7 motherboards and 90+% of >>>>their sales were intel boards at that moment, so they actually needed them >>>>bigtime). You can cry about other things too, but both manufacturers are >>>>already drumming years ahead about new things. >>>> >>>>My own drumming about a diep windows version is completely amateuristic >>>>compared to their drumming up to 7 years ahead. >>> >>>Just because they post specs doesn't mean they're going to release it soon >>>after. Only when they announce that they're going to release it should you start >>>the clock. :) >> >>Without jokes, i only get serious about a new processor when i receive >>the first benchmark of DIEP at it. That's usually 6 months to a year >>ahead of market introduction. >> >>And that's pretty well needed, because if such a processor is going to >>be the new standard, then it's not really stupid to take loads of time >>to rewrite a part of the engine such that it works better at it :) >> >>>They posted the specs and THEN announced it. Not the other way >>>around. Hammer specs have been around for a LONG time now. Yeah, they did say >>>they were going to support up to 8 cpus for the K7's and yes we haven't seen >>>those. Most likely because of market demand. >> >>Most likely because they didn't get it to work. I have a dual k7 and i'm >>very happy about it, but i always have the impression it's a very instable >>system compared to for example a dual P3. >> >>You simply don't want to know how many reboots i need, killing of explorer, >>reinstalls of windows, etcetera. >> >>My dual P3 i installed the same software and same OS/servicepack like at >>this machine and the dual P3 is completely working without problems. >> >>Then there is other problems for AMD to get processors stable to run SMP. >> >>We have already up to 300Mhz higher clocked new XPs, than there is MPs. >> >>I'm not saying intel is a hair better here with the P4. Not at all. By >>keeping L1 caches small at it, they manage of course to clock it that >>high. >> >>But even if you clock a P4 to 3.5Ghz, then still the same 'unstable' AMD >>is way faster. >> >>I wonder how 'stable' that hammer is. >> >>Producing 1 such a cpu doesn't mean they can produce it cheap for everyone. >> >>So i wait till i have more reliable results on the hammer for DIEP. >>Basically i lack having a cross compiler for it. >> >>>I have seen dual/quad opterons >>>though so at least there is SOME hope. Slate is probably right, we probably >>>won't see the 2800+ for another month. Same for Intel's P4-3GHz. Probably will >>>see that released in December (but it's being announced today or sometime soon). >> >>1 month is easy waiting for. but 1 year... > >I'm not sure what you're doing wrong but I've had/seen NO problems as far as >stability goes with ANY of my AMD systems. I have a feeling most people in here >will tell you aside from the general Windows bs that dual AMD's are just as >stable. how many dual AMDs have you got and what time do you leave them running before rebooting? best regards, Vincent
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