Author: Vincent Diepeveen
Date: 09:01:30 10/02/02
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On October 02, 2002 at 03:40:08, Slater Wold wrote: >On October 01, 2002 at 11:57:42, Aaron Gordon wrote: > >>On October 01, 2002 at 09:39:40, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: >> >>>On October 01, 2002 at 09:25:17, Aaron Gordon wrote: >>> >>>>On October 01, 2002 at 07:54:15, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: >>>> >>>>>On September 30, 2002 at 09:09:12, Aaron Gordon wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On September 30, 2002 at 04:11:57, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On September 30, 2002 at 01:43:52, Aaron Gordon wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>On September 30, 2002 at 00:21:12, Jeremiah Penery wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>On September 30, 2002 at 00:05:40, Slater Wold wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>I got the annoucement in August that the 2600s would be coming out soon. It is >>>>>>>>>>now September and they are barely rolling out. (As in, several vendors who are >>>>>>>>>>selling them don't actually have them yet.) AMD is horrible about this. >>>>>>>>>>Announce a chip, and 3 months later it hits the streets. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Well, it's a paper launch, and most every company does it at some point or >>>>>>>>>another. Does AMD do it more than most? I can't answer, because I don't keep >>>>>>>>>track of those things. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Intel does most of the paper launches. I the 2600+ is the only time I've seen >>>>>>>>AMD try that. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>I remember a lot of other launches. The K7 was announced 2.5 years before >>>>>>>it was on the market. specs were posted 1.5 years before it was on the >>>>>>>market and then it still wasn't there. Now you can cry about intel delaying >>>>>>>the K7 by some 'blackmail' (i do not know how to call it otherwise as >>>>>>>my english is not too well; they didn't want to deliver their intel chipsets >>>>>>>to mainboard manufacturers who wanted to make K7 motherboards and 90+% of >>>>>>>their sales were intel boards at that moment, so they actually needed them >>>>>>>bigtime). You can cry about other things too, but both manufacturers are >>>>>>>already drumming years ahead about new things. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>My own drumming about a diep windows version is completely amateuristic >>>>>>>compared to their drumming up to 7 years ahead. >>>>>> >>>>>>Just because they post specs doesn't mean they're going to release it soon >>>>>>after. Only when they announce that they're going to release it should you start >>>>>>the clock. :) >>>>> >>>>>Without jokes, i only get serious about a new processor when i receive >>>>>the first benchmark of DIEP at it. That's usually 6 months to a year >>>>>ahead of market introduction. >>>>> >>>>>And that's pretty well needed, because if such a processor is going to >>>>>be the new standard, then it's not really stupid to take loads of time >>>>>to rewrite a part of the engine such that it works better at it :) >>>>> >>>>>>They posted the specs and THEN announced it. Not the other way >>>>>>around. Hammer specs have been around for a LONG time now. Yeah, they did say >>>>>>they were going to support up to 8 cpus for the K7's and yes we haven't seen >>>>>>those. Most likely because of market demand. >>>>> >>>>>Most likely because they didn't get it to work. I have a dual k7 and i'm >>>>>very happy about it, but i always have the impression it's a very instable >>>>>system compared to for example a dual P3. >>>>> >>>>>You simply don't want to know how many reboots i need, killing of explorer, >>>>>reinstalls of windows, etcetera. >>>>> >>>>>My dual P3 i installed the same software and same OS/servicepack like at >>>>>this machine and the dual P3 is completely working without problems. >>>>> >>>>>Then there is other problems for AMD to get processors stable to run SMP. >>>>> >>>>>We have already up to 300Mhz higher clocked new XPs, than there is MPs. >>>>> >>>>>I'm not saying intel is a hair better here with the P4. Not at all. By >>>>>keeping L1 caches small at it, they manage of course to clock it that >>>>>high. >>>>> >>>>>But even if you clock a P4 to 3.5Ghz, then still the same 'unstable' AMD >>>>>is way faster. >>>>> >>>>>I wonder how 'stable' that hammer is. >>>>> >>>>>Producing 1 such a cpu doesn't mean they can produce it cheap for everyone. >>>>> >>>>>So i wait till i have more reliable results on the hammer for DIEP. >>>>>Basically i lack having a cross compiler for it. >>>>> >>>>>>I have seen dual/quad opterons >>>>>>though so at least there is SOME hope. Slate is probably right, we probably >>>>>>won't see the 2800+ for another month. Same for Intel's P4-3GHz. Probably will >>>>>>see that released in December (but it's being announced today or sometime soon). >>>>> >>>>>1 month is easy waiting for. but 1 year... >>>> >>>>I'm not sure what you're doing wrong but I've had/seen NO problems as far as >>>>stability goes with ANY of my AMD systems. I have a feeling most people in here >>>>will tell you aside from the general Windows bs that dual AMD's are just as >>>>stable. >>> >>>how many dual AMDs have you got and what time do you leave them running >>>before rebooting? >>> >>>best regards, >>>Vincent >> >>Personally I own none. Only one dual AMD I have access to runs 24/7 is on a UPS >>and both cpus are at 100% load constantly (doing OGR-25 for >>www.distributed.net). It serves as my friends router, file server & game server. >>Currently it has over 3 months uptime. This is only due to power outages here in >>Texas due to storms and etc. His UPS isn't fancy, it'll only last 30 minutes or >>so. As you could probably guess it runs linux. So far I haven't had any >>problems. > >My AMD system runs pretty well. About the only time it reboots, is when it >reboots itself. Something to do with a freaky Windows XP / NVADIA GeForce 4 >problem/thing that was supposed to be fixed in the last driver but wasn't. i own one of the first thunderk7 mainboards. that sure isn't adding to its stability. i hear that nowadays the chipset has extra cooling which my mainboard doesn't have. also i do not see how i can cool it. anyway. i bought great fans for my cpu's and i blow in around 300M^3 air an hour into the case and i blow out about 200M^3 an hour. That helps quite some :) Best regards, Vincent
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