Author: Roy Eassa
Date: 13:08:54 10/06/02
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On October 06, 2002 at 16:05:26, Marc van Hal wrote: >On October 06, 2002 at 15:34:17, Roy Eassa wrote: > >>On October 06, 2002 at 15:30:30, Eduard Nemeth wrote: >> >>>First the game in PGN: >>> >>> >>>[Event "Brains in Bahrain"] >>>[Site "?"] >>>[Date "2002.??.??"] >>>[Round "2"] >>>[White "Vladimir Kramnik"] >>>[Black "Deep Fritz"] >>>[ECO "D27"] >>>[Result "*"] >>> >>>1. d4 d5 2. c4 dxc4 3. Nf3 Nf6 4. e3 e6 5. Bxc4 c5 6. O-O >>>a6 7. dxc5 Qxd1 8. Rxd1 Bxc5 9. Kf1 b5 10. Be2 Bb7 11. Nbd2 >>>Nbd7 12. Nb3 Bf8 13. a4 b4 14. Nfd2 Bd5 15. f3 Bd6 16. g3 >>>e5 17. e4 Be6 18. Nc4 Bc7 19. Be3 a5 20. Nc5 Nxc5 21. Bxc5 >>>Nd7 22. Nd6+ Kf8 23. Bf2 Bxd6 24. Rxd6 Ke7 25. Rad1 Rhc8 >>>26. Bb5 Nc5 27. Bc6 Bc4+ {Rest time: W = 31min, B = 57min.} >>>28. Ke1 Nd3+ 29. R1xd3 Bxd3 30. Bc5 Bc4 31. Rd4+ Kf6 >>>32. Rxc4 Rxc6 33. Be7+ Kxe7 34. Rxc6 Kd7 35. Rc5 f6 36. Kd2 >>>Kd6 37. Rd5+ Kc6 38. Kd3 g6 39. Kc4 g5 40. h3 h6 41. h4 >>>gxh4 42. gxh4 Ra7 43. h5 Ra8 44. Rc5+ Kb6 45. Rb5+ Kc6 >>>46. Rd5 Kc7 47. Kb5 b3 48. Rd3 Ra7 49. Rxb3 Rb7+ 50. Kc4 >>>Ra7 51. Rb5 Ra8 52. Kd5 Ra6 53. Rc5+ Kd7 54. b3 Rd6+ >>>55. Kc4 Rd1 56. Rd5+ * >>> >>>and 1-0 >>> >>>Diagramm 1: >>> >>> >>>Kramnik - Deep Fritz >>>German: Fritz hat vermutlich ZU TIEF gerechnet! :) >>> >>>Fritz have only an problem: Deep, Deep, Deep, Deep and then a Blunder! :-) >>> >>>[D]r3k2r/1b1n1ppp/p3pn2/1pb5/8/1N2PN2/PP2BPPP/R1BR1K2 b kq - 0 1 >>> >>> >>>german: >>>Nun zog Deep Fritz "unfassbar" für uns alle Lf8?? Da muss es sogar Kramnik fast >>>vom Stuhl gehauen haben! :))) >>> >>>Diagramm 2: >>> >>> >>>Kramnik - DEEPfritzDEEP (:)) >>> >>>[D]r1r5/4kppp/2BR4/p1B1p3/Ppb1P3/5PP1/1P5P/4K3 w - - 0 1 >>> >>>Rd4!! An fantastical move!! >>> >>>Gearman: >>>Es folgte nun Td4!! Das war weltmeisterlich, und im höheren Sinne der Gewinnzug! >>> >>>Eduard >> >> >>Yes, I believe that in this position, Kramnik knew that he would win via Rd4+! >>IMHO, his technique is superb enough that this is a win for him against any >>opponent, even though most (probably all) chess programs think it's about equal. > > >The entire game was not new for me it only shows that faster hardware doesn't >help much versus deep chessknowledge of the position. >Like I already mentioned when they start to speak about this match. >Rd4 was not !! but simply home preparetion. >Which never was left by Deep Friz. >So the in a deeper sence the game was already won when Fritz played Bf8. >Much if not all of Kramniks moves also should have been played by Shredder5 > >Marc Your first sentence and your third sentence seem to contradict each other. I agree with the first one: it was deep chess knowledge that won the game for Kramnik. I do NOT agree that Kramnik reproduced a game he had already tested against the computer. I think the chances of that are almost 0. At each move in the opening, the program has many equally likely choices, making the total number of lines he might face *very* large. Plus, Kramnik did not even know in advance of the match what opening book would be used!
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