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Subject: Re: Fritz-Blunder and Kramnik-fantastical! (diagrams)

Author: Roy Eassa

Date: 13:08:54 10/06/02

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On October 06, 2002 at 16:05:26, Marc van Hal wrote:

>On October 06, 2002 at 15:34:17, Roy Eassa wrote:
>
>>On October 06, 2002 at 15:30:30, Eduard Nemeth wrote:
>>
>>>First the game in PGN:
>>>
>>>
>>>[Event "Brains in Bahrain"]
>>>[Site "?"]
>>>[Date "2002.??.??"]
>>>[Round "2"]
>>>[White "Vladimir Kramnik"]
>>>[Black "Deep Fritz"]
>>>[ECO "D27"]
>>>[Result "*"]
>>>
>>>1. d4 d5 2. c4 dxc4 3. Nf3 Nf6 4. e3 e6 5. Bxc4 c5 6. O-O
>>>a6 7. dxc5 Qxd1 8. Rxd1 Bxc5 9. Kf1 b5 10. Be2 Bb7 11. Nbd2
>>>Nbd7 12. Nb3 Bf8 13. a4 b4 14. Nfd2 Bd5 15. f3 Bd6 16. g3
>>>e5 17. e4 Be6 18. Nc4 Bc7 19. Be3 a5 20. Nc5 Nxc5 21. Bxc5
>>>Nd7 22. Nd6+ Kf8 23. Bf2 Bxd6 24. Rxd6 Ke7 25. Rad1 Rhc8
>>>26. Bb5 Nc5 27. Bc6 Bc4+ {Rest time: W = 31min, B = 57min.}
>>>28. Ke1 Nd3+ 29. R1xd3 Bxd3 30. Bc5 Bc4 31. Rd4+ Kf6
>>>32. Rxc4 Rxc6 33. Be7+ Kxe7 34. Rxc6 Kd7 35. Rc5 f6 36. Kd2
>>>Kd6 37. Rd5+ Kc6 38. Kd3 g6 39. Kc4 g5 40. h3 h6 41. h4
>>>gxh4 42. gxh4 Ra7 43. h5 Ra8 44. Rc5+ Kb6 45. Rb5+ Kc6
>>>46. Rd5 Kc7 47. Kb5 b3 48. Rd3 Ra7 49. Rxb3 Rb7+ 50. Kc4
>>>Ra7 51. Rb5 Ra8 52. Kd5 Ra6 53. Rc5+ Kd7 54. b3 Rd6+
>>>55. Kc4 Rd1 56. Rd5+ *
>>>
>>>and 1-0
>>>
>>>Diagramm 1:
>>>
>>>
>>>Kramnik - Deep Fritz
>>>German: Fritz hat vermutlich ZU TIEF gerechnet! :)
>>>
>>>Fritz have only an problem: Deep, Deep, Deep, Deep and then a Blunder! :-)
>>>
>>>[D]r3k2r/1b1n1ppp/p3pn2/1pb5/8/1N2PN2/PP2BPPP/R1BR1K2 b kq - 0 1
>>>
>>>
>>>german:
>>>Nun zog Deep Fritz "unfassbar" für uns alle Lf8?? Da muss es sogar Kramnik fast
>>>vom Stuhl gehauen haben! :)))
>>>
>>>Diagramm 2:
>>>
>>>
>>>Kramnik - DEEPfritzDEEP (:))
>>>
>>>[D]r1r5/4kppp/2BR4/p1B1p3/Ppb1P3/5PP1/1P5P/4K3 w - - 0 1
>>>
>>>Rd4!! An fantastical move!!
>>>
>>>Gearman:
>>>Es folgte nun Td4!! Das war weltmeisterlich, und im höheren Sinne der Gewinnzug!
>>>
>>>Eduard
>>
>>
>>Yes, I believe that in this position, Kramnik knew that he would win via Rd4+!
>>IMHO, his technique is superb enough that this is a win for him against any
>>opponent, even though most (probably all) chess programs think it's about equal.
>
>
>The entire game was not new for me it only shows that faster hardware doesn't
>help much versus deep chessknowledge of the position.
>Like I already mentioned when they start to speak about this match.
>Rd4 was not !! but simply home preparetion.
>Which never was left by Deep Friz.
>So the in a deeper sence  the game was already won when Fritz played Bf8.
>Much if not all of Kramniks moves also should have been played by Shredder5
>
>Marc


Your first sentence and your third sentence seem to contradict each other.

I agree with the first one: it was deep chess knowledge that won the game for
Kramnik.

I do NOT agree that Kramnik reproduced a game he had already tested against the
computer.  I think the chances of that are almost 0.  At each move in the
opening, the program has many equally likely choices, making the total number of
lines he might face *very* large.  Plus, Kramnik did not even know in advance of
the match what opening book would be used!



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