Author: Roy Eassa
Date: 14:02:15 10/06/02
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On October 06, 2002 at 16:53:46, Rolf Tueschen wrote: >On October 06, 2002 at 16:26:17, Ingo Althofer wrote: > >>In game 2 against program Fritz GM Kramnik has impressively shown how humans can >>adopt to computer opponents and how helpful such flexibility is. I am firmly >>convinced that Kramnik had this opening on the board in his preparation, and >>that 9.Kf1 was fully intended to throw Fritz out of its book. And very likely >>Kramnik had already seen Fritz' dubious moves 12...Bf8 and 13...b4 on the >>monitor in his camp before the match. (Remember: Kramnik had the current Fritz >>version already a long time for sparring purposes.) > >Let me just state my opposing opinion. I have no quotes from Kramnik or his >helpers, but I'm sure that Kramnik does not need such preparations. He didn't >know the specific play for this line, but he learned how Fritz reacted in >certain positions after the exchange of Q. I am 100% sure that he did not copy a >game from his training. > How can you be 100% sure? Even I am only 99.9% sure! :-) > > >>By the way: Bf8 was not an isolated Fritz blunder but was also for instance on a >>narrow rank 2 in the proposals of Hiarcs... >> >>Some spectators may now have the feeling that Kramnik's dry style makes the >>match less interesting. > > >I don't know what you understand under "dry style" but for me his style is not >dry at all. > It's dry in the (good) sense that he does not take unnecessary risks (like Christiansen did). > > >>But >> >>(i) The more dry Kramnik is acting now the more fireworks we will see from >>Kasparov in December. In his hot temper Kasparov will try to demonstrate how >>superior his chess is to that of Kramnik. So, have some patience. > > >Don't you worry. Kramnik showed the highest possible chess against computers. He >played normal chess, no anti-computer chess. And he relied on his superior >understanding of chess. BTW something you or me for instance could never produce >with or without computer help! Because here it is not just the idea or some >technique, the whole game is a masterpiece of chess art with computer as >opponent! > I think Kramnik's "normal" chess is already pretty darn good anti-computer chess. It's when the GMs take unnecessary risks (or blunder) that they lost to computers. > > >> >>(ii) From my very personal view the games from Bahrain show the superiority of >>human+computer teams over single computers, even if the human is only an amateur >>player. > >Could you elaborate what this combination should be worth here for this game? > > >Rolf Tueschen > > >>No Elo-2000 player would have selected 12... Bf8 amongst a set of for >>instance three similarily evaluated candidate moves; and most Elo-2000 players >>would have prefered a candidate move like 13...Bd5 over the wrong pawn fixing >>13...b4. >> >>Ingo Althofer.
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