Author: Rolf Tueschen
Date: 05:28:20 10/07/02
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On October 07, 2002 at 08:01:44, Otello Gnaramori wrote: >On October 07, 2002 at 06:45:59, Rolf Tueschen wrote: > >>As always let me make some short and sharp remarks. >> >>Computer chess is the simulation of chess. While the opening moves and the last >>technical endings can be played with perfection, the simulation is still far >>from its optimum in the middle game. >> > >This was already known, Rolf , comps are still behind the top players , the real >question is : How much time will be necessary to beat regularly the best >players? > >>What Vladimir Kramnik has shown with his masterpiece, the second game, is the >>unpleasant truth, we should never forget. Machines have no understanding for the >>beauties of chess. > >Obviously they don't understand , they are machine , but to beat the majority of >human players the understanding is not strictly needed. > > Either they play with perfection, because the solution is >>already there,or they play like a newborn kid. >> >>The confusing of a training tool with a genuine chess player is the reason for >>the speechless amazement of many computer chess lovers. But would they be as >>astonished if I would present a "philosopher" with the implementation of the >>complete Encyclopedia Britannica and tried to enrol "him" in Harvard or in the >>peace conferences at the Lake of Geneva? > >I can cite some experts systems that make diagnosis as good as the best medical >doctors... Yes,but then such processes have nothing in common with arts? Therefore I gave the philosopher as example and not the engineer. > >> >>If you are absolutely determined to participate in human chess, although the >>mainpart of chess is far from being solved, you must not be surprised if a good >>human chess master is reveiling the nature of the whole fantasies from time to >>time. >> >>Because you can fool chess amateurs with the mere superiority of complete >>opening dictionaries, you can also fool chess masters from time to time, if they >>go for some as-if in the 19th century excursions into the land of combinations, >>but you won't be able to always fool the best chess thinkers, or let me better >>say chess artists. > >Many GM's have been fooled by comps...included a certain Garry Kasparov. Because they had false ideas about the computer. > >Because they don't need bad books or certain ideosyncratic >>weaknesses of the machines, because they feel and understand the myst of the >>imperfect simulation and then sure they have the necessary technique for a >>challenge over the whole game, and not only some isolated parts amateurs are >>familiar with. >>This is the explanation for the actual situation of computer chess with all the >>problems the programmers of the super computer software already had in the 80's >>until DB2 in 1997. As I predicted since 1997, the human chess masters have >>understood the message of the old trick with the traditional secrecy. Because >>without a feeling for the "architecture" of someone's "chess" there is no way to >>prove the human superiority in five or eight games. But if you have it, then one >>or two games are well sufficient. As Kramnik proved yesterday. > >Let's wait for the end of match before further judgements... Oh no, you can't do that. From now on Vlad will do his best to please the sponsors. I mean this is not about winning! This is about getting many thousands of dollars for free. Here are the odds: If I lose I get 600 000 $$$$ If I draw I get 800 000 $$$$$$$ If I win I get 1 million $$$$$$$$$$$$$ and I'll leave many deceived computer chess enthusiasts and PR agents behind me. Now let's see. We have here a typical Monty Ha___________ NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Excuse me, I was just trying to do it again... Take care Rolf Tueschen > >w.b.r. > >Otello > > >> >>(Please nobody should feel offended - personally. Those who never dreamed in the >>categories of the hyperboles of PR were no target of the 'mathematical' proof.) >> >> >>Rolf Tueschen
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