Author: Rolf Tueschen
Date: 07:24:18 10/08/02
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On October 08, 2002 at 10:19:01, Uri Blass wrote: >On October 08, 2002 at 10:09:03, Uri Blass wrote: > >>On October 08, 2002 at 10:01:00, Rolf Tueschen wrote: >> >>>On October 08, 2002 at 09:54:15, Rolf Tueschen wrote: >>> >>>>- >>> >>>He makes incoherent moves like a3, Nd5, Nf6, h3 etc... >>> >>>What they tried to do was to tell Fritz to make some "positional" moves... >>>What a difference. But the reason for the difference betwen Kramnik and Fritz is >>>clear. Both can calculate, only Kramnik knows what to calculate deep enough. >>>It's so funny to see Fritz always coming late and breathless and again there is >>>nothing to bite... (position after h3) >>> >>>Rolf Tueschen >> >>I think that the problem of Fritz is that kramnik had >>the program so he could know to get into the >>type of position when Fritz does not know to play well. >> >>I do not think that he prepared all the games but I believe >>that he did opening preperation to >>get positions that Fritz does not know to play. >> >>I still try to find with yace(only material) >>when did Fritz lose material. >> >>It seems that Nd5 or an earlier move >>was the mistake. >> >>Uri > >Here is the analysis of yace only material > >after 22.Nd5 c6 > >New game - Junior 7 >2kr3r/p4pbp/1pp1b3/2pNPp2/2P2P2/PP2K3/6PP/2R2B1R w - - 0 1 > >Analysis by Yace 0.99.56: > >23.Nd5xb6+ a7xb6 > -+ (-2.70) Depth: 1 00:00:00 >23.Nd5-f6 Bg7xf6 24.e5xf6 Rh8-e8 25.Ke3-f3 Re8-g8 26.a3-a4 Rg8-g6 27.Rc1-a1 >Be6-d7 28.Bf1-d3 Rg6xf6 29.Kf3-g3 h7-h5 30.Kg3-h4 Bd7-e6 31.Rh1-d1 Kc8-b8 >32.g2-g3 Rd8-h8 33.Bd3-c2 Rf6-g6 > µ (-0.80) Depth: 1 00:00:00 >23.Nd5-e7+ Kc8-b8 > = (-0.10) Depth: 1 00:00:00 >23.Nd5-e7+ Kc8-c7 > = (-0.10) Depth: 1 00:00:00 >23.Nd5-e7+ Kc8-d7 24.Ne7xc6 Kd7xc6 > -+ (-2.70) Depth: 2 00:00:00 >23.Nd5-f6 Bg7xf6 24.e5xf6 Rh8-e8 25.Ke3-f3 Re8-g8 26.a3-a4 Rg8-g6 27.Rc1-a1 >Be6-d7 28.Bf1-d3 Rg6xf6 29.Kf3-g3 h7-h5 30.Kg3-h4 Bd7-e6 31.Rh1-d1 Kc8-b8 >32.g2-g3 Rd8-h8 33.Bd3-c2 Rf6-g6 > µ (-0.80) Depth: 2 00:00:00 >23.Nd5-c3 Kc8-d7 > = (-0.10) Depth: 2 00:00:00 >23.Nd5-c3 Kc8-d7 24.Rh1-g1 > = (-0.10) Depth: 3 00:00:00 >23.Nd5-c3 Kc8-d7 24.Rh1-g1 Kd7-e7 > = (-0.10) Depth: 4 00:00:00 >23.Nd5-c3 Kc8-d7 24.Rh1-g1 Kd7-e7 25.Nc3-e2 > = (-0.10) Depth: 5 00:00:00 4kN >23.Nd5-c3 Kc8-d7 24.Rh1-g1 Kd7-e7 25.Nc3-e2 Rd8-f8 > = (-0.10) Depth: 6 00:00:00 9kN >23.Nd5-c3 Kc8-d7 24.Rh1-g1 Kd7-e7 25.Nc3-e2 Rd8-f8 26.Ke3-f3 > = (-0.10) Depth: 7 00:00:00 32kN >23.Nd5-c3 Kc8-d7 24.Rh1-g1 Kd7-e7 25.Nc3-e2 Rd8-f8 26.Ke3-f3 Bg7-h6 > = (-0.10) Depth: 8 00:00:00 61kN >23.Nd5-c3 Kc8-d7 24.Rh1-g1 Kd7-e7 25.Nc3-e2 Rd8-f8 26.Ke3-f3 Bg7-h6 27.Rc1-b1 > = (-0.10) Depth: 9 00:00:00 210kN >23.Nd5-c3 Kc8-d7 24.Rh1-g1 Kd7-e7 25.Nc3-e2 Rd8-f8 26.Ke3-f3 Bg7-h6 27.Rc1-b1 >Ke7-e8 > = (-0.10) Depth: 10 00:00:01 542kN >23.Nd5-c3 Kc8-d7 24.Rh1-g1 Kd7-e7 25.Nc3-e2 Rd8-f8 26.Ke3-f3 Bg7-h6 27.Rc1-b1 >Ke7-e8 28.Kf3-g3 > = (-0.10) Depth: 11 00:00:02 1182kN >23.Nd5-c3 Kc8-d7 24.Rh1-g1 Kd7-e7 25.Nc3-e2 Bg7-h6 26.Ne2-g3 Rd8-d7 27.Ng3-e2 >Rd7-c7 28.Ke3-f3 Be6-c8 > = (-0.10) Depth: 12 00:00:06 3418kN >23.Nd5-c3 Kc8-d7 24.Rh1-g1 Kd7-e7 25.Nc3-e2 Bg7-h6 26.Ne2-g3 Rd8-d7 27.Ng3-e2 >Rd7-c7 28.Ke3-f3 Be6-c8 29.Rc1-b1 > = (-0.10) Depth: 13 00:00:15 8400kN >23.Nd5-c3 Kc8-d7 24.Rh1-g1 Kd7-e7 25.Nc3-e2 Bg7-h6 26.Ne2-g3 Rd8-d7 27.Ng3-e2 >Rd7-c7 28.Ke3-f3 Be6-c8 29.Rc1-b1 Bc8-d7 > = (-0.10) Depth: 14 00:00:45 24264kN >23.Nd5-c3 Kc8-d7 24.Rh1-g1 Kd7-e7 25.Nc3-e2 Bg7-h6 26.Ne2-g3 Rd8-d7 27.Ng3-e2 >Rd7-c7 28.Ke3-f3 Be6-c8 29.Rc1-b1 Bc8-d7 30.Kf3-f2 > = (-0.10) Depth: 15 00:03:11 101351kN >23.Nd5-c3 Rh8-e8 24.Ke3-f3 f7-f6 25.e5xf6 Bg7xf6 26.Rc1-c2 Be6-f7 27.h2-h3 >Bf6-d4 28.Nc3-d1 Re8-e1 29.Rc2-d2 b6-b5 30.Rh1-h2 Re1xf1+ 31.Kf3-e2 > ³ (-0.50) Depth: 16 00:16:50 508200kN >23.Nd5-c3 Rh8-e8 24.Ke3-f3 f7-f6 25.e5xf6 Bg7xf6 26.Rc1-c2 Be6-f7 27.h2-h3 >Bf6-d4 28.Nc3-d1 Re8-e1 29.Rc2-d2 b6-b5 30.c4xb5 Bf7xb3 31.Nd1-f2 c6xb5 > µ (-0.90) Depth: 16 00:26:09 783681kN >23.Nd5-f6 Rh8-e8 24.Nf6xe8 Rd8xe8 > µ (-0.89) Depth: 16 00:26:50 804795kN >23.Nd5-f6 Bg7xf6 24.e5xf6 Rh8-e8 25.Ke3-f3 Re8-g8 26.a3-a4 Rg8-g6 27.Rc1-a1 >Be6-d7 28.Bf1-d3 Rg6xf6 29.Kf3-g3 h7-h5 30.Kg3-h4 Bd7-e6 31.Rh1-d1 Kc8-b8 > µ (-0.80) Depth: 16 00:27:29 823716kN > >(Blass, Tel-aviv 08.10.2002) > >After learning that 23.Nf6 is bad: > >[D]2kr3r/p1p2pbp/1p2b3/2p1Pp2/2P2P2/PPN1K3/6PP/2R2B1R w - - 0 1 > >Analysis by Yace 0.99.56: > >22.h2-h3 > = (-0.10) Depth: 1 00:00:00 >22.h2-h3 Bg7-f8 > = (-0.10) Depth: 2 00:00:00 >22.h2-h3 Bg7-f8 23.Rc1-d1 > = (-0.10) Depth: 3 00:00:00 >22.h2-h3 Bg7-f8 23.Rc1-d1 Rd8xd1 > = (-0.10) Depth: 4 00:00:00 >22.h2-h3 Bg7-f8 23.Rc1-d1 Rd8xd1 24.Nc3xd1 > = (-0.10) Depth: 5 00:00:00 3kN >22.h2-h3 Bg7-f8 23.Rc1-d1 Rd8xd1 24.Nc3xd1 c7-c6 25.Nd1-b2 > = (-0.10) Depth: 6 00:00:00 6kN >22.h2-h3 Bg7-f8 23.Rc1-d1 Rd8xd1 24.Nc3xd1 c7-c6 25.Nd1-b2 a7-a5 > = (-0.10) Depth: 7 00:00:00 24kN >22.h2-h3 Bg7-f8 23.Rc1-d1 Rd8xd1 24.Nc3xd1 c7-c6 25.Nd1-b2 a7-a5 26.Ke3-f2 > = (-0.10) Depth: 8 00:00:00 58kN >22.h2-h3 Bg7-f8 23.Rc1-d1 Rd8xd1 24.Nc3xd1 c7-c6 25.Nd1-b2 a7-a5 26.Ke3-f2 >Kc8-d7 > = (-0.10) Depth: 9 00:00:00 178kN >22.h2-h3 Bg7-f8 23.Rc1-d1 Rd8xd1 24.Nc3xd1 c7-c6 25.Nd1-b2 a7-a5 26.Ke3-f2 >Kc8-d7 27.Bf1-d3 > = (-0.10) Depth: 10 00:00:00 464kN >22.h2-h3 Bg7-f8 23.Rc1-d1 Rd8xd1 24.Nc3xd1 c7-c6 25.Nd1-b2 a7-a5 26.Ke3-f2 >Kc8-d7 27.Bf1-d3 Kd7-e8 > = (-0.10) Depth: 11 00:00:02 1204kN >22.h2-h3 Bg7-f8 23.Rc1-d1 Rd8xd1 24.Nc3xd1 c7-c6 25.Nd1-b2 a7-a5 26.Ke3-f2 >Kc8-d7 27.Bf1-d3 Kd7-e8 28.Kf2-g3 > = (-0.10) Depth: 12 00:00:05 2954kN >22.h2-h3 Bg7-f8 23.Rc1-d1 Rd8xd1 24.Nc3xd1 c7-c6 25.Nd1-b2 a7-a5 26.Ke3-f2 >Kc8-d7 27.Bf1-d3 Kd7-e8 28.Kf2-g3 Be6-d7 > = (-0.10) Depth: 13 00:00:33 17710kN >22.h2-h3 Bg7-f8 23.Rc1-d1 Rd8xd1 24.Nc3xd1 c7-c6 25.Nd1-b2 a7-a5 26.Ke3-f2 >Kc8-d7 27.Bf1-d3 Kd7-e8 28.Kf2-g3 Be6-d7 29.Kg3-h4 > = (-0.10) Depth: 14 00:01:40 51101kN > >(Blass, Tel-aviv 08.10.2002) > >Could better hardware help Fritz to >avoid 22.Nd5 for tactical reasons or maybe >yace(only material) did not search >deep enough to see that >22.h3 also lose material? > >Uri > >Uri To find the answer you should goback to a3and that seems pretty far back! RolfTueschen
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