Author: martin fierz
Date: 10:45:29 10/08/02
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On October 08, 2002 at 13:09:11, Omid David wrote: >On October 08, 2002 at 12:38:34, Knut Bjørnar Wålberg wrote: > >>If Kramnik mops the floor with Deep Fritz, a rather odd situation might arise: >>What will most strengthen the belief that the top human(s) is in fact better >>than any machine/program ever created? >> >>That Kasparov later crushes Deep Junior, or that he loses? >> >>If Kasparov wins without problems, it could be argued that the Chessbase >>products are clearly not up to the standard of Deep Blue. However, if Kasparov >>loses, then DF and DJ should at least be on par with DB2, and therefore Kramnik >>is even stronger, and it's just Kasparov that doesn't know how to play >>computers. >> >>I know there are other factors that come into play (especially the way the >>players were able to prepare), but how do you all think the world in general >>will perceive these different scenarios? What is the ideal score in the two >>matches when it comes to creating interest in chess and computer chess? >> >>As a final note, it seems to me that Deep Blue might end up as a sort of Bobby >>Fischer of computer chess; Perceived by many as the greatest ever, a statement >>that one can neither prove nor disprove at the moment. Any comments on that? ;) >> >>Knut Bjørnar Wålberg > >Arguing against Junior or Fritz, saying Deep Blue was better, is ridiculous. >It's exactly like saying Fischer is better than Kasparov or Kramnik. Deep Blue >was the strongest at its time, so was Fischer at his time, they both retired, >and so they're both irrelevant. > >The cheating poker player [IBM] swiftly took the money [the credit] and left the >town [dismantled the machine]. where did ibm cheat, omid? i thought conspiracy theories were the domain of americans only :-) seriously, for IBM DB was a publicity stunt. i was at a talk given by the IBM manager responsible for DB. he told us that DB had generated so much publicity for IBM that if they had had to pay for it in form of ads, it would have been a truly ridiculous sum (something like a billion dollars). after they beat kasparov (or he beat himself), there was no reason to go on for the publicity. besides, kasparov behaved like a complete fool and started claiming that they had been cheating. when i sit down with a stranger in a park and play blitz for money, beat him and then he accuses me of cheating, i get up and walk away too... aloha martin
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