Author: Uri Blass
Date: 10:56:00 10/08/02
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On October 08, 2002 at 13:20:24, Thorsten Czub wrote: >On October 08, 2002 at 13:15:21, Uri Blass wrote: > >>They can do other mistakes and Kramnik with the program can take advantage of >>them. > >of course. > >but why programming as usual when this is the result of the BEST efforts ? > >we are totally ssdf-fixed. everybody tries to beat rank 1 instead of trying >new stuff, new ideas that would make the program stronger in the long run. I do not think that not trying new stuff is the way to beat number 1. Not everybody tries to beat rank 1. I think that a very small number of programmers think about it and the other only try to improve their program because they know they have no chance to be number 1 in the ssdf at least in the near future. I do not think that they do not teach their program new stuff because of Fritz Here is some analysis of Yace0.99.56 Yace does not understand the position and believes that the position is almost equal(-0.06) even after a long search I do not think that the reason for it is a decision of dieter not to try new stuff because of the fact that Fritz is a fast searcher. I do not think that Dieter really believes that he has a chance to top the ssdf in the near future. [D]2kr3r/p1p2pbp/1p2b3/2p1Pp2/2P2P2/PPN1K3/6PP/2R2B1R w - - 0 1 Analysis by Yace 0.99.56: 22.h2-h3 = (-0.11) Depth: 1 00:00:02 22.h2-h4 = (0.02) Depth: 1 00:00:02 22.Rh1-g1 = (0.04) Depth: 1 00:00:02 22.g2-g3 = (0.16) Depth: 1 00:00:02 22.Bf1-e2 ² (0.26) Depth: 1 00:00:02 22.Rc1-d1 ² (0.39) Depth: 1 00:00:02 22.Rc1-d1 Kc8-b7 = (0.11) Depth: 2 00:00:02 22.Rc1-d1 f7-f6 23.Rd1xd8+ Rh8xd8 = (0.05) Depth: 3 00:00:02 22.Rc1-d1 Rd8xd1 23.Nc3-d5 ³ (-0.35) Depth: 4 00:00:02 22.Rc1-d1 Rd8xd1 23.Nc3xd1 f7-f6 24.e5xf6 ³ (-0.36) Depth: 4 00:00:02 22.Bf1-d3 Rd8xd3+ 23.Ke3xd3 Rh8-d8+ 24.Kd3-e3 Be6xc4 ³ (-0.35) Depth: 4 00:00:02 22.Bf1-d3 f7-f6 23.Nc3-b5 f6xe5 = (-0.22) Depth: 4 00:00:02 22.Nc3-b5 Bg7xe5 23.f4xe5 Kc8-b7 = (-0.21) Depth: 4 00:00:02 22.Nc3-b5 a7-a6 23.Nb5-c3 Rh8-e8 = (-0.18) Depth: 4 00:00:02 22.Nc3-d5 Be6xd5 23.c4xd5 f7-f6 = (-0.17) Depth: 4 00:00:02 22.Nc3-d5 Be6xd5 23.c4xd5 Rd8xd5 24.Bf1-c4 = (0.01) Depth: 4 00:00:02 22.Nc3-d5 Rh8-e8 23.Bf1-e2 Be6xd5 24.c4xd5 = (-0.24) Depth: 5 00:00:02 23kN 22.Rc1-e1 Rd8-d1 23.Nc3xd1 Rh8-e8 = (-0.23) Depth: 5 00:00:02 23kN 22.Rc1-e1 f7-f6 23.Ke3-f3 Rh8-e8 24.g2-g3 = (-0.16) Depth: 5 00:00:02 23kN 22.Rc1-e1 f7-f6 23.Ke3-f3 f6xe5 24.f4xe5 Rh8-g8 25.g2-g3 = (-0.21) Depth: 6 00:00:02 49kN 22.Nc3-d5 Rh8-e8 23.Bf1-e2 Be6xd5 24.c4xd5 Kc8-b7 = (-0.20) Depth: 6 00:00:02 49kN 22.Nc3-d5 Rh8-e8 23.Bf1-e2 c7-c6 24.Nd5-c3 Kc8-b7 = (-0.04) Depth: 6 00:00:02 49kN 22.Nc3-d5 c7-c6 23.Nd5-f6 Bg7xf6 24.e5xf6 Rh8-e8 25.Ke3-f3 h7-h6 = (-0.06) Depth: 7 00:00:02 107kN 22.Nc3-d5 Rh8-e8 23.Ke3-f3 Kc8-b7 24.Rc1-d1 c7-c6 25.Nd5-e3 Rd8-d4 = (0.02) Depth: 8 00:00:04 401kN 22.Nc3-d5 Rh8-e8 23.Ke3-f3 c7-c6 24.Nd5-f6 Bg7xf6 25.e5xf6 Rd8-d2 26.g2-g3 h7-h6 = (-0.06) Depth: 9 00:00:05 1000kN 22.Nc3-d5 c7-c6 23.Nd5-f6 Bg7xf6 24.e5xf6 Rd8-d6 25.Ke3-f3 Be6-d7 26.Rc1-e1 = (0.02) Depth: 10 00:00:12 2845kN 22.Nc3-d5 c7-c6 23.Nd5-f6 Bg7xf6 24.e5xf6 Rh8-e8 25.Ke3-f3 Rd8-d2 26.g2-g3 h7-h6 27.Rc1-e1 Kc8-b7 = (-0.02) Depth: 11 00:00:22 5730kN 22.Nc3-d5 c7-c6 23.Nd5-f6 Bg7xf6 24.e5xf6 Kc8-b7 25.Rc1-c3 Rd8-g8 26.Ke3-f2 Rg8-g6 27.Bf1-e2 h7-h6 = (-0.06) Depth: 12 00:00:52 14698kN 22.Nc3-d5 c7-c6 23.Nd5-f6 Bg7xf6 24.e5xf6 Rd8-d6 25.Bf1-e2 Be6-d7 26.Rh1-d1 Rh8-e8+ 27.Ke3-f2 Rd6xf6 28.Be2-f3 Rf6-e6 29.Kf2-g1 = (-0.11) Depth: 13 00:02:10 36054kN 22.Nc3-d5 c7-c6 23.Nd5-f6 Bg7xf6 24.e5xf6 Rd8-d6 25.Ke3-f3 Be6-d7 26.Rc1-e1 Rd6xf6 27.Bf1-d3 Rf6-d6 28.Re1-e3 Rh8-g8 29.Rh1-d1 = (-0.05) Depth: 14 00:07:12 112458kN 22.Nc3-d5 c7-c6 23.Nd5-f6 Bg7xf6 24.e5xf6 Rd8-d6 25.Ke3-f3 Be6-d7 26.b3-b4 c5xb4 27.a3xb4 Rh8-e8 28.Rc1-a1 Kc8-b8 29.Bf1-e2 Rd6xf6 30.Rh1-e1 = (-0.12) Depth: 15 00:15:52 252385kN 22.Nc3-d5 c7-c6 23.Nd5-f6 Bg7xf6 24.e5xf6 Rd8-d6 25.Ke3-f3 Be6-d7 26.Rc1-e1 Rd6xf6 27.Bf1-d3 Rf6-d6 28.Bd3-c2 Rh8-g8 29.Re1-d1 Rd6-d4 30.Rh1-e1 = (-0.06) Depth: 16 00:53:47 814552kN (Blass, Tel-aviv 08.10.2002) > > >>Shredder6 lost against smirin at faster time control against a king attack and >>had no idea how to play. > >might be. >but shredder is better in positional stuff. > > >>Shredder6 did not use the right book(it used Junior's book) > >shredder has a problem here. almost any game at championships shredder >is strangely coming out of book , most often in a disadvantaged situation. > > > >>but shredder played >>bad after book and the point is that every program seems to be stupid in the >>right positions. > >ah come on. i have and know fritz for many many years. seeing it daily >on my machines. its a stupid program. >its fast, this is the reason it wins in ssdf list. I do not believe it. It wins the ssdf because other programs are also stupid. You can see that a lot of other programs know nothing here. >and all the others have to follow this FAST race. otherwise they >don't get the ssdf #1 trophy. No Except Tiger and maybe Rebel or next Junior they do not have a chance to get the ssdf #1 trophy so I do not think that they consider the ssdf in their reasons. I can also add that most programmers develop programs that are not tested by the ssdf and today they are at least 200 elo weaker than Crafty. Uri
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