Author: Miguel A. Ballicora
Date: 11:52:12 10/08/02
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On October 08, 2002 at 13:41:34, Omid David wrote: >On October 08, 2002 at 13:19:55, Knut Bjørnar Wålberg wrote: > >>On October 08, 2002 at 13:09:11, Omid David wrote: >> >>>On October 08, 2002 at 12:38:34, Knut Bjørnar Wålberg wrote: >>> >>>>If Kramnik mops the floor with Deep Fritz, a rather odd situation might arise: >>>>What will most strengthen the belief that the top human(s) is in fact better >>>>than any machine/program ever created? >>>> >>>>That Kasparov later crushes Deep Junior, or that he loses? >>>> >>>>If Kasparov wins without problems, it could be argued that the Chessbase >>>>products are clearly not up to the standard of Deep Blue. However, if Kasparov >>>>loses, then DF and DJ should at least be on par with DB2, and therefore Kramnik >>>>is even stronger, and it's just Kasparov that doesn't know how to play >>>>computers. >>>> >>>>I know there are other factors that come into play (especially the way the >>>>players were able to prepare), but how do you all think the world in general >>>>will perceive these different scenarios? What is the ideal score in the two >>>>matches when it comes to creating interest in chess and computer chess? >>>> >>>>As a final note, it seems to me that Deep Blue might end up as a sort of Bobby >>>>Fischer of computer chess; Perceived by many as the greatest ever, a statement >>>>that one can neither prove nor disprove at the moment. Any comments on that? ;) >>>> >>>>Knut Bjørnar Wålberg >>> >>>Arguing against Junior or Fritz, saying Deep Blue was better, is ridiculous. >>>It's exactly like saying Fischer is better than Kasparov or Kramnik. Deep Blue >>>was the strongest at its time, so was Fischer at his time, they both retired, >>>and so they're both irrelevant. >>> >> >>I agree, but will the public see it the same way? After all, IBM managed to >>create publicity far beyond the chess / computer world with their machine, and >>most people don't know about IBM's cynical acts. In order to remove all doubt, >>it might be best if Kasparov loses again. >> > >If Kasparov loses, I will personally argue: "Kramnik's win doesn't count since >he already had the very exact program; and also, Fritz wasn't the best program >in the world as the last two years' world computer chess championships clearly >indicate. But Junior (the strongest computer program) won Kasparov (the >strongest human player) and that shows that computers are superior" Junior lost to Fritz and Kasparov to Kramnik. Kasparov vs. Junior is for the bronze medal. Miguel
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