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Subject: Re: (13.f4 probably last bookmove)

Author: Roy Eassa

Date: 14:26:14 10/08/02

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On October 08, 2002 at 16:03:13, Albert Silver wrote:

>On October 08, 2002 at 15:29:11, Mike S. wrote:
>
>>On October 08, 2002 at 15:04:29, Mogens Larsen wrote:
>>
>>>On October 08, 2002 at 14:26:08, Mike S. wrote:
>>>
>>>>I've compared the game with the Fritz7.ctg opening, which indicates (too)
>>>>that 13.f4 was the last move from the book.
>>>
>>>I've got three games with 13.f4 in my database. Two draws and a black win.
>>>Kramnik chose the path of the winning game with 13...0-0-0. Fritz followed the
>>>lost game (in or out of book) until 17.e5. The move exf5 was previously played.
>>>(...)
>>
>>Thanks. This indicates that the game you found may have been in Kramnik's match
>>preparation. Maybe he asked his seconds something like "Find me all kinds of
>>(side-)variants with an early exchange of the queens." This would seem
>>reasonable to me, since this is the most important anticomputer effect of his
>>"Berlin Wall" strategy with black against Kasparov. They could have tested it
>>with retail versions of the Fritz books, how likely it is that Fritz goes into
>>that variants (the match book can't be too much different IMO). It looks now,
>>that not only the Ruy Lopez is dangerous for Fritz in that respect, but probably
>>many other openings too, unfortunately...
>>
>>If it should happen that the book has such a big impact to the match result (in
>>favour of Kramnik), I'm afraid this will be a problem to explain to a wider
>>public. I mean, that the A.I. algorithms so to speak are only partially
>>responsible.
>>
>>It could turn out that the Man vs. Machine comparison (of this parcticular match
>>at least) will be a bit devalued because of that book moves/early queens
>>exchange issue.
>>
>>(But there are still 5 games to go.)
>>
>>Regards,
>>M.Scheidl
>
>I don't see why. Everywhere I look I see people complaining about the
>'unfairness' the computer's ability to store an entire encyclopedia of openings
>with perfect retention (a nonsense argument but let's not go into that again)
>giving it an enormous advantage over us fallible humans. Now the encyclopedia is
>to blame for its losses. Bah!
>
>                                      Albert


A delicious irony indeed!



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