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Subject: Re: One disturbing thing about the match... Forget about Elo bogus

Author: Roy Eassa

Date: 15:31:47 10/08/02

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On October 08, 2002 at 18:26:10, Rolf Tueschen wrote:

>On October 08, 2002 at 18:02:42, Roy Eassa wrote:
>
>>Many people posting on ICC said that they will now avoid buying Fritz because of
>>the results so far.  I think that's wrong.  Fritz is not the issue.  Kramnik's
>>strength and understanding of how to play a computer (any computer) is the
>>issue.
>>
>>If you want to buy any chess program, Fritz is a good one (as are Tiger,
>>ChessMaster, Junior, Shredder, Hiarcs, Rebel, and others)!  If instead you want
>>to "punish" something because the computer has fallen behind in this match,
>>don't take it all out on the program that happens to be involved -- others would
>>surely suffer similar results.
>>
>>Kramnik's winning technique thus far is not Fritz-unique, IMHO.
>
>
>Roy, I find such debates unworthy. It looks as if people tried to do some PR for
>certain companies. Looks very odd. We should debate about problems and topics,
>but to even start a debate about the question if FRITZ (!) now should be
>punished, I mean, isn't it a bit premature?
>
>Fritz with all the database features and the cbh - all that is state of the art
>of the amateur user. But those who want do experiments with progs, they could
>well be more satisfied with other progs. Why? Simply because Fritz looks more
>like a coach or training tool. You can out-calculate Fritz! Until now nobody
>tried to understand the computer stuff. Kramnik is the true professional and
>artist in the line of people like Eduard Nemeth!
>
>All the others from Gulko to Smirin they played normal chess or weak chess from
>the opening. Kramnik is the first who made up his mind and tried to figure out
>how he could exploit the naivety of Fritz. That doesn't mean that Fritz is now a
>bad tool for users. That would be nonsense.
>
>But we should make some reflections about the hype of the > 2700 Elo of such
>progs - after the SSDF testings...  That is all bogus of course and all those
>who are experienced enough knew that and said it! See Bob Hyatt! See Rolf
>Tueschen! :)
>
>
>Rolf Tueschen


Once again, even though it may seem we disagree, we agree.  I just mean that
Fritz (and ChessBase) should not be singled out.  Fritz is not playing worse
than any other program would, IMHO.  Kramnik is just that good.



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