Author: Roy Eassa
Date: 15:42:24 10/08/02
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On October 08, 2002 at 18:34:34, Rolf Tueschen wrote: >On October 08, 2002 at 18:31:47, Roy Eassa wrote: > >>On October 08, 2002 at 18:26:10, Rolf Tueschen wrote: >> >>>On October 08, 2002 at 18:02:42, Roy Eassa wrote: >>> >>>>Many people posting on ICC said that they will now avoid buying Fritz because of >>>>the results so far. I think that's wrong. Fritz is not the issue. Kramnik's >>>>strength and understanding of how to play a computer (any computer) is the >>>>issue. >>>> >>>>If you want to buy any chess program, Fritz is a good one (as are Tiger, >>>>ChessMaster, Junior, Shredder, Hiarcs, Rebel, and others)! If instead you want >>>>to "punish" something because the computer has fallen behind in this match, >>>>don't take it all out on the program that happens to be involved -- others would >>>>surely suffer similar results. >>>> >>>>Kramnik's winning technique thus far is not Fritz-unique, IMHO. >>> >>> >>>Roy, I find such debates unworthy. It looks as if people tried to do some PR for >>>certain companies. Looks very odd. We should debate about problems and topics, >>>but to even start a debate about the question if FRITZ (!) now should be >>>punished, I mean, isn't it a bit premature? >>> >>>Fritz with all the database features and the cbh - all that is state of the art >>>of the amateur user. But those who want do experiments with progs, they could >>>well be more satisfied with other progs. Why? Simply because Fritz looks more >>>like a coach or training tool. You can out-calculate Fritz! Until now nobody >>>tried to understand the computer stuff. Kramnik is the true professional and >>>artist in the line of people like Eduard Nemeth! >>> >>>All the others from Gulko to Smirin they played normal chess or weak chess from >>>the opening. Kramnik is the first who made up his mind and tried to figure out >>>how he could exploit the naivety of Fritz. That doesn't mean that Fritz is now a >>>bad tool for users. That would be nonsense. >>> >>>But we should make some reflections about the hype of the > 2700 Elo of such >>>progs - after the SSDF testings... That is all bogus of course and all those >>>who are experienced enough knew that and said it! See Bob Hyatt! See Rolf >>>Tueschen! :) >>> >>> >>>Rolf Tueschen >> >> >>Once again, even though it may seem we disagree, we agree. I just mean that >>Fritz (and ChessBase) should not be singled out. Fritz is not playing worse >>than any other program would, IMHO. Kramnik is just that good. > >Sorry, but only if ChessBase would send me some lollipops, could I support their >bogus PR! Duh! :) > >Rolf Tueschen I think many of their products are worthy of purchase DESPITE their bogus PR. :-)
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