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Subject: Re: 8 CPU ver 1 or 2 CPU computer question..

Author: Omid David

Date: 20:17:16 10/08/02

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On October 08, 2002 at 20:09:52, Robert Hyatt wrote:

>On October 08, 2002 at 19:22:44, Omid David wrote:
>
>>On October 08, 2002 at 14:37:39, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>
>>>On October 08, 2002 at 14:29:02, Rex wrote:
>>>
>>>>I agree that dual or more processors are faster.  My question is the effeciency
>>>>of search may be decrease.  The weight of a given move may be decreased when its
>>>>way down the tree. The differences of move weight gets less efficiant when the
>>>>tree search gets deeper and deeper.  Calculating what would be the best move
>>>>based on score may not be the best move at all.  Figuring this calculation deep
>>>>in the search tree is probably imposible until that particular move arrives 1 to
>>>>2 moves deep.  Then it may be too late.
>>>
>>>
>>>By faster, I don't mean "faster NPS only".
>>>
>>>I mean that if it takes one 1ghz processor 3 minutes to search to depth X, then
>>>the two
>>>1ghz machine should take significantly less than 3 minutes to reach that same
>>>depth X.
>>>
>>>For Crafty, the rough number is about 1.7.  IE if it takes 3 minutes for one
>>>cpu, then it will
>>>take around 1.7 minutes to do the same search using two cpus.  For Crafty, the
>>>NPS will
>>>be closer to 2x faster using two cpus, but the "search efficiency" you mentioned
>>>drops
>>>the overall performance gain down to 1.7X or so... (again, this is an _average_
>>>number,
>>>for those that like to question it.  Some positions speed up more than 2.0 times
>>>faster,
>>>other speed up significanly less than 2.0 times faster.  The overall _average_
>>>seems to
>>>hover around 1.7 for Crafty.  YMMV on other programs or on different hardware.)
>>
>>
>>And how will Crafty perform on say 8 processors? Is there any limit for number
>>of processors, or the more the processors the better the performance of Crafty?
>
>
>I have run it on 16, but I have been unable to test it enough to see what
>happens to the
>speedup= 1 + (N-1)*.7 formula.  I'm pretty sure it won't hold true up at that
>end of the
>number of processors.  It works fine for 1-4, and it seemed to work ok for an
>8-cpu test
>I ran, but non-intel-based hardware.  I will answer this question one day.  But
>one thing
>is for sure, I don't ever expect to see more = worse performance, although it is
>possible
>that more != better performance...

Of course, I didn't mean "more processors = worse performance", but was
interested in knowing how diminished can the benefits be (and if the benefit
from an n+1 processor after certain n threshold, can be practically 0). Thank
you for your reply.






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