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Subject: Re: 6 man EGDB's with pawns - some CM FEG results

Author: Marc Bourzutschky

Date: 20:37:52 10/08/02

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On October 08, 2002 at 19:38:02, John Merlino wrote:

>On October 08, 2002 at 18:45:36, Marc Bourzutschky wrote:
>
>>The Chessmaster FEG program (downloadable from www.chessmaster.com) is a very
>>clever tool that allows the generation of 6-man EGDB's with pawns on a 32 bit
>>machine with limited resource requirements.  This would not be possible with
>>the Nalimov program without some code changes.  I have generated KRPPKR which
>>occurs relatively frequently in practice (next I'll generate KRPKRP and KRKPPP.)
>
>Many thanks for posting this information. I have a few questions:
>
>Which 6-man files have you built? How long did it take to build them? Have you
>also built all of their dependent filesets?
>
>jm

Below is a list of the endings I have generated so far, along with
some statistics. The number of seconds is somewhat misleading because
I used 3 different computers: a 1.9GHZ and 2.4GHZ P4, and an an old
800MHZ P3.  For example, the KQRKQR ending was generated on the old
machine which is why it took so long.  I started this whole project
September 12.

As far as dependencies are concerned, FEG automatically stops when
dependent files are missing, so you can only generate endgames with
pawns if all possible promotions have been created.

The main difference to the Nalimov scheme is that each EGDB only
contains WTM to win or not to win, not distinguishing between a draw
or a loss.  So to get comparable info one needs to generate both
KXKY and KYKZ.  For KRPPKR I have not yet generated KRKRPP because
I was mainly interested whether White can win or not, ignoring
pathological positions where White actually loses.  I'll get KRKRPP
later anyway as a byproduct of generating KRKPPP, which is in the
works.  Because KRKPPP can go either way, I'll also generate KPPPKR.


Ending   # Secs     WTM Size  WTM Ply      BTM Size  BTM Ply
------------------------------------------------------------
KQQRKR   248337    181541366       73     454405666       74
KQRBKR    81755    705485974      135    1060868934      136
KQRKQR   510320   1161463938      233     426465391      234
KQRKRB   266976   1044489055      141    1252885945      142
KQRKRN   265612   1025129450      133    1353459632      138
KQRKRR   424856    696088906      113     563970032      112
KQRNKR   110866    678962160       87    1023118760       88
KQRPKR   329993   2069855830      149    3746111779      150
KQRRKR    81998    246328793       81     683209859       82
KRBBKR   121787    815254179      139     795943021      140
KRBKQR    54376     60403494      129       7176017      128
KRBKRB    62467    558544458      129      68163464      128
KRBKRR    56590     46934987      133       6850121      132
KRBNKR   131406   1621032003      135    1249681979      136
KRBPKR   311575   4691404903      151    4585986662      152
KRKQBB    19942      6021257       61       5967701        6
KRKQBN    23232      7374862       79       6402464       60
KRKQBP    67545     49797631       77      20721167       68
KRKQNN    24266      8042923       81       5996962       68
KRKQNP   104173    123187152      133      21034570      126
KRKQPP    80602    387265124       83      20308922       78
KRKQQB    17771      5799312       51       5845019        6
KRKQQN    21387      5884460       77       5856010        6
KRKQQP    54465     20018808       55      18789740        6
KRKQQQ     9890      5648101        7       5628973        6
KRKQQR     9686      5760118        7       5794036        6
KRKQRB    18535      6157489       53       6334517        6
KRKQRN    22505      6409825       79       6305985        6
KRKQRP    52386     26195616       57      20419355       48
KRKQRR     9968      5839264        7       5884821        6
KRNKQR    31582     40756874       73       6891222       70
KRNKRB   181544    532653480       73      47539498       72
KRNKRN   182437    633633087      103      59911833      102
KRNKRR    53265     31247335       73       6607222       70
KRNPKR   322138   4959158626      169    4558331725      170
KRPKQR   257582    660773785      235      33211534      224
KRPKRR   220795    734378250      149      72391611      148
KRPPKR   258491   1806511454      189    2200757722      190
KRRBKR    82773    629065508      137     559091788      138
KRRKQR    49265    277825100       65      35754296       64
KRRKRB    83225    614558904      133     150419097      132
KRRKRN   138858    753078894      177     315051543      178
KRRKRR    61544    258742167       79      45661712       78
KRRNKR    74479    613173287       89     517953298       90
KRRPKR   250624   1739999970      149    2354960874      150
KRRRKR    83699    139427358       65     264648675       66



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