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Subject: Re: So Much For Deep Fritz Being Better Than Deep Blue

Author: Joshua Lee

Date: 09:09:18 10/09/02

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On October 09, 2002 at 04:00:36, Georg v. Zimmermann wrote:

First off the title was a joke i am fully aware that it is hard to compare a
computer that doesn't play to one that does. It's just that People like Uri said
that Deep Fritz is better than Deep Blue and now how they change their tune so
fast.

There's still plenty of games for Fritz to show us it's Positive aspects of it's
play.





>So Kramnik has 2 wins.
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>Smart people see many possible explanations:
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>* Fritz is stronger than Deep Blue, but Kramnik is lucky
Yea Kramnik is a chump not champ, he's just lucky. that is not a "smart"
explanation


>* Fritz is stronger than Deep Blue, and Kramnik is much better prepared than
>Kasparov

Preparation does not matter when you play anti developing moves and other bad
moves against a world champ.

>* Fritz is stronger than Deep Blue, but Kramnik is playing the better anti-bot
>style.

Kramnik doesn't need any Anti-Computer play if his opponent makes mistakes that
humans will make.

>* Fritz is equal to Deep Blue, but humans had 5 years to get better too

Maybe Anti Computer play has improved but the elo ratings nor any scientific
proof has shown that this has made any difference, ofcourse this falls back on
the former statement: if you make bad moves a human would make you are going
down.

>* Fritz is equal to Deep Blue, but Human chess has improved in 5 years too with
>the help of computers

I think i answered that but hey the highest ratings were 2785 then and Kramnik
is what 2807 but 22elo is hardly going to make a difference.

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>Other people only see one explanation.
meaning the people with inferior intelligence other than yourself?


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>Georg v. Zimmermann

Landmark computerchess case right?






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>On October 08, 2002 at 19:06:58, Joshua Lee wrote:
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>>Maybe if the chessbase team fixes these problems in their program then you may
>>have something closer to Deep Blue.
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>>How many ply would DF now have to look ahead to not play the bad moves it
>>played? What kind of hardware will they need in the next match?
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>>I think it is funny that some people here actually thought Fritz would give
>>Kramnik a hard time.



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