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Subject: Re: How does Franz Morsch feel about DF7?

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 10:03:58 10/09/02

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On October 08, 2002 at 12:27:12, Louis Fagliano wrote:

>On October 08, 2002 at 12:00:05, Eran wrote:
>
>>
>>He must feel really bad and depressed, right?
>>
>>Eran
>
>Why?  I didn't expect computers to be better than a human world champion this
>soon, but the point is that eventually they will.  (Perhaps by 2015?)  What
>Franz Morsch and other programmers are gaining is valuable information of where
>the weak points in their programs are.  Though it may take a while and require
>more advances in hardware (faster processors and more memory) if, or perhaps
>when, those advances come and coupled with some new algorythm that hasn't even
>been thought of at this time computers will surpass the human world champion.
>
>What is happening here is that the way Kramnik beats Fritz will provide the
>direction that programmers have to take to shore up the weaknesses in their
>programs.  Without the results and games of this match, and the Kasparov-Deep
>Junior 7 match, programmers wouldn't know exactly how the best human players can
>exploit their programs.



Oh but they would!  All it takes is watching games on ICC vs GM players.  The
weaknesses are pretty obvious.  Longer games help humans even more, but if you
watch
even blitz games, you notice problems even though the computers win most of the
games
due to tactical errors by the GM.  But the holes are there.  They are visible.
Many players
have noticed...


>
>If human world champions realy want to stave off the day that computers will be
>able to beat them in a match then they should refuse to play computers at all,
>leaving programmers wondering where their programs are weak.  In this way
>Kranmik and Kasparov in playing these matches at all are actually doing a
>valuable service to aspiring programmers.



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