Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 15:32:11 10/09/02
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On October 09, 2002 at 15:06:28, martin fierz wrote: >On October 09, 2002 at 14:26:31, Robert Hyatt wrote: > >>On October 09, 2002 at 12:53:50, Graham Laight wrote: >> >>>Nobody who is familiar with the prevailing computer chess scene can deny that >>>Alexander is a genius at preparing opening books for computer v computer games. >>> >>>Against Kramnik, however, one must question his judgement. >> >>This is the wrong approach to this. How on earth could Alex be prepared to try >>to >>out-book Kramnik? Kramnik is one of the best in the world. Alex is good vs >>computers >>as he is probably technically better than the programs, even if he is not >>tactically their equal. >> >>But to expect him to have any prayer at all in trying to out-book Kramnik is a >>futile >>wish, IMHO... > >so why on earth didnt they get some help from a strong player? DBs openings were >prepared by joel benjamin IIRC, and even though he is of course weaker than >kasparov he at least had some idea how to prepare against this kind of >opposition. You are asking the wrong person. :) When I played a GM match a couple of times on ICC, I had _no_ problem getting another GM to help me with opening suggestions. They _love_ to see their competition get blasted. :) > >>>In each game, the queens have come off early. Against a human, that can't be >>>right. >> >> >> >>It could, if Fritz knew more about endings. You don't cover up a hole by >>avoiding it if you >>can, you fill it in so that it doesn't bother you any more... >> >>> >>>What is needed is to get to an open position with the queens still on the board. >> >>Or to learn how to play positions where the queens are gone. Then there is no >>advantage in the human trying to remove them. > >so what's your take on this? do you think any other program would look better >than fritz in these endgames? > >aloha > martin > From what I have seen, Rebel would be one that comes to mind. Crafty may (or may not) do better, but its advantage would be that it _has_ been developed in the GM environment, where I have been "doing battle" with them for several years and have specific code to avoid certain well-known strategies that they like to employ against computers. No idea if it would do better or worse however, but it would definitely do "different"... I suspect Rebel would do clearly better, however. But that is from watching it play lots of games. Other programs have less GM experience so I am not sure how they would fare... > >>>Given that nothing else in Fritz can be modified except the opening book, it >>>really is down to Alex Kure now to provide Vladimir with some sort of >>>opposition. >>>' >> >>And that is a hopeless assignment for him... >> >> >> >> >>>-g >>> >>>On October 09, 2002 at 11:01:03, Chessfun wrote: >>> >>>> >>>>http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=542 >>>> >>>>"The Fritz team has the consolation of having outplayed Kramnik in the opening >>>>stages with the Scotch Opening that is favored by former world champion Garry >>>>Kasparov. Kramnik must have prepared extensively for the Scotch before his 2000 >>>>title match with Kasparov, but Fritz reached a very comfortable position. The >>>>problem was that like the eunuch who walked into the harem Fritz had no idea >>>>what to do when he got there" >>>> >>>>Sarah.
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