Author: Marc van Hal
Date: 15:47:46 10/09/02
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On October 09, 2002 at 18:32:11, Robert Hyatt wrote: >On October 09, 2002 at 15:06:28, martin fierz wrote: > >>On October 09, 2002 at 14:26:31, Robert Hyatt wrote: >> >>>On October 09, 2002 at 12:53:50, Graham Laight wrote: >>> >>>>Nobody who is familiar with the prevailing computer chess scene can deny that >>>>Alexander is a genius at preparing opening books for computer v computer games. >>>> >>>>Against Kramnik, however, one must question his judgement. >>> >>>This is the wrong approach to this. How on earth could Alex be prepared to try >>>to >>>out-book Kramnik? Kramnik is one of the best in the world. Alex is good vs >>>computers >>>as he is probably technically better than the programs, even if he is not >>>tactically their equal. >>> >>>But to expect him to have any prayer at all in trying to out-book Kramnik is a >>>futile >>>wish, IMHO... >> >>so why on earth didnt they get some help from a strong player? DBs openings were >>prepared by joel benjamin IIRC, and even though he is of course weaker than >>kasparov he at least had some idea how to prepare against this kind of >>opposition. > >You are asking the wrong person. :) When I played a GM match a couple of times >on ICC, >I had _no_ problem getting another GM to help me with opening suggestions. They >_love_ to >see their competition get blasted. :) > > >> >>>>In each game, the queens have come off early. Against a human, that can't be >>>>right. >>> >>> >>> >>>It could, if Fritz knew more about endings. You don't cover up a hole by >>>avoiding it if you >>>can, you fill it in so that it doesn't bother you any more... >>> >>>> >>>>What is needed is to get to an open position with the queens still on the board. >>> >>>Or to learn how to play positions where the queens are gone. Then there is no >>>advantage in the human trying to remove them. >> >>so what's your take on this? do you think any other program would look better >>than fritz in these endgames? >> >>aloha >> martin >> > >From what I have seen, Rebel would be one that comes to mind. Crafty may (or >may not) >do better, but its advantage would be that it _has_ been developed in the GM >environment, >where I have been "doing battle" with them for several years and have specific >code to avoid >certain well-known strategies that they like to employ against computers. No >idea if it would >do better or worse however, but it would definitely do "different"... I suspect >Rebel would >do clearly better, however. But that is from watching it play lots of games. >Other programs >have less GM experience so I am not sure how they would fare... > > >I think your right Rebel and maybe crafty are more alround engines engines who know how to play a positional But also know how to play a tactical game Fritz Always had the advantage of being very tactical But the back draw is that it is not as good in positonal games. Frans tried manny things to solve this problem But it is still is there Nevertheless I think You can't fight against somebody who know ahead what is comming. If at least one thing does help for Fritz is increasing the selectivety. You have a super computer now use it wisely. Marc > >> >>>>Given that nothing else in Fritz can be modified except the opening book, it >>>>really is down to Alex Kure now to provide Vladimir with some sort of >>>>opposition. >>>>' >>> >>>And that is a hopeless assignment for him... >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>-g >>>> >>>>On October 09, 2002 at 11:01:03, Chessfun wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>>http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=542 >>>>> >>>>>"The Fritz team has the consolation of having outplayed Kramnik in the opening >>>>>stages with the Scotch Opening that is favored by former world champion Garry >>>>>Kasparov. Kramnik must have prepared extensively for the Scotch before his 2000 >>>>>title match with Kasparov, but Fritz reached a very comfortable position. The >>>>>problem was that like the eunuch who walked into the harem Fritz had no idea >>>>>what to do when he got there" >>>>> >>>>>Sarah.
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