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Subject: Re: Interview with Ruffian programmer comment

Author: Chessfun

Date: 03:10:53 10/10/02

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On October 10, 2002 at 01:44:06, John Merlino wrote:

>On October 09, 2002 at 17:54:07, Chessfun wrote:
>
>>On October 09, 2002 at 16:42:44, Frank Quisinsky wrote:
>>
>>>Hi,
>>>
>>>an interview in English language with Ruffian programmer Per-Ola Valfridsson can
>>>be found on Arena webpage.
>>>
>>>Thanks to Per-Ola!
>>>
>>>Arena by Martin Blume:
>>>http://www.playwitharena.com
>>>
>>>Best
>>>Frank
>>
>>Hi Frank,
>>        Nice job. However I'm curious about one point, well more than one but
>>I'll limit this too one.
>>
>>from http://www.playwitharena.com/
>>
>>"18. Interview team:
>>About the opening book Ruffian uses: While some people are full of praise,
>>others seems to think that your book is more of a handicap than a help for
>>Ruffian. Do you do a lot of work on the opening book or do you have a friend who
>>works as a "book cooker" (book author)? Has the opening book been created in
>>conjunction with the engine or is it a seperate working process?
>>
>>Per-Ola Valfridsson (Ruffian):
>>I haven't spent any time to create an opening book for Ruffian. The opening book
>>is automatically generated from a rather small pgn file. It has not been
>>customized for Ruffian. I wouldn't mind if someone with interest in opening
>>books created a Ruffian book. I have received some offers since Ruffian was
>>released."
>>
>>
>>As I posted previously and proved version 1.0.0 when released had modified book
>>moves identical to Fritz 7.ctg. The previous version (see games below) openings
>>did not contain these moves;
>>
>>So it would appear that someone did infact customize it prior to Ruffians
>>release. Simply check the PGN with Ruffians current book and compare what was
>>played to what is now listed.
>>
>>Sarah.
>
>I previously posted my suspicion (and one other poster agreed with me) that
>Ruffian's opening book might have been created from Dann Corbit's 2500.PGN file
>(or, perhaps a subset of it). I suspected this because this was one of the main
>sources for CM9000's opening book, and during my testing with CM9000 vs Ruffian,
>both programs stayed in book for quite some time.


While it's possible that it's created from a PGN such as that, it would also now
require the additional two games it lost to Tiger plus a couple of manufactured
PGN's from those two games with the moves from Fritz 7.ctg. This don't comply
with the statement "It has not been customized for Ruffian."

Sarah.




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