Computer Chess Club Archives


Search

Terms

Messages

Subject: Re: can programs find, Kramnik 18...Nb4

Author: Roy Brunjes

Date: 09:44:14 10/10/02

Go up one level in this thread


On October 10, 2002 at 00:45:39, Chessfun wrote:

>On October 10, 2002 at 00:28:36, Slater Wold wrote:
>
>>On October 09, 2002 at 23:50:55, K. Burcham wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>I thought 18...Nb4 was a key move that allowed Kramnik to trade pieces to a pawn
>>>endgame for the win.
>>>We all know that just because a player is 2850, all moves are not 2850, and all
>>>games played are not on a 2850 level.
>>>I am not sure what other GM's think the level of this move is, or the level of
>>>this line played after this move.
>>>So I was curious if Deep Fritz7 could see the GM move 18...Nb4.
>>>I was also curious if Deep Fritz7 could see the line played after this move,
>>>which includes as you know, all of the GM moves.
>>>
>>>The answer is yes to my questions. It took Deep Fritz7 one hour and five minutes
>>>to find Kramniks 18...Nb4. It took Deep Fritz7 two hours and 33 minutes to find
>>>the line played in the game. This line included all correct GM moves, up to move
>>>25.
>>>Even though Deep Fritz7 keeps the a3 move that Kramnik thought weakened whites
>>>game, I still find this interesting.
>>>
>>>
>>> [D] 2kr1b1r/p1p2p1p/1pn1b3/2p1Pp2/2P2P2/1PN1B3/P4KPP/R4B1R b - - 0 1
>>>
>>>Deep Fritz 7:
>>>
>>>18...Bg7 19.Nd5 Nb8 20.Bc1 c6 21.Nf6 Rd1 22.Rg1 Bxf6 23.exf6 Nd7 24.Ke2 Rd6
>>>25.Bb2 Re8
>>>  ²  (0.31)   Depth: 14/33   00:00:23  35656kN
>>>18...Bg7 19.Nd5 Nd4 20.Bd3 Rhe8 21.Rhd1 c6 22.Nf6 Bxf6 23.exf6 a5 24.Bxd4 cxd4
>>>25.Rac1 a4 26.b4
>>>  ²  (0.31)   Depth: 15/35   00:00:58  88188kN
>>>18...Bg7 19.Nd5 Nd4 20.Bd3 Rhe8 21.Bxd4 cxd4 22.a3 c6 23.Nf6 Bxf6 24.exf6 Rg8
>>>25.Rhc1 Rg6 26.c5 Kc7 27.cxb6+ axb6
>>>  ²  (0.28)   Depth: 16/39   00:01:52  169170kN
>>>18...Bg7 19.Nd5 Nd4 20.Bd3 Rhe8 21.Bxd4 cxd4 22.a3 c6 23.Rac1 Kb7 24.Nf6 Bxf6
>>>25.exf6 a6
>>>  =  (0.25)   Depth: 17/41   00:04:00  367116kN
>>>18...Ne7!
>>>  =  (0.22)   Depth: 17/42   00:07:47  714405kN
>>>18...Ne7 19.g3 Bg7 20.Re1 Rhe8 21.Bh3 Rd3 22.Nb1 Rd7 23.Bg2 Red8 24.Re2 c6
>>>25.Rd2
>>>  =  (0.19)   Depth: 18/45   00:21:33  1987305kN
>>>18...Ne7 19.Re1 Bg7 20.Bc1 Rhf8 21.Be2 f6 22.exf6 Bxf6 23.Bf3 Bd7 24.Nd5 Nxd5
>>>25.cxd5 Be8 26.Rd1 Bf7
>>>  =  (0.22)   Depth: 19/47   00:44:49  4162660kN
>>>18...Nb4!
>>>  =  (0.19)   Depth: 19/47   01:05:33  6108429kN
>>>18...Nb4 19.Rc1 Bg7 20.a3 Nd3+ 21.Bxd3 Rxd3 22.Rhd1 Rxd1 23.Rxd1 f6 24.exf6 Bxf6
>>>  =  (0.09)   Depth: 19/47   01:28:49  8248696kN
>>>18...Nb4 19.a3 Nc2 20.Rc1 Nxe3 21.Kxe3 Bg7 22.Nd5 c6 23.Nf6 Bxf6 24.exf6 Rhe8
>>>25.Kf3 Rd2 26.Rc3 Red8
>>>  =  (0.06)   Depth: 20/46   02:33:25  14270398kN
>>>18...Nb4 19.a3 Nc2 20.Rc1 Nxe3 21.Kxe3 Bg7 22.Nd5 c6 23.Nf6 Bxf6 24.exf6 Rhe8
>>>25.Kf3 Rd2 26.Rc3 Red8
>>>  =  (0.06)   Depth: 21/50   03:55:24  22070790kN
>>>18...Nb4 19.a3 Nc2 20.Rc1 Nxe3 21.Kxe3 Bg7 22.Nd5 c6 23.Nf6 Bxf6 24.exf6 Rhe8
>>>25.Kf3 Rd2 26.Rc3 Red8
>>>  =  (0.09)   Depth: 22/55   06:54:33  39219571kN
>>>
>>>kburcham
>>
>>Give DJ 5 minutes.
>
>ChessTiger 15 normal 1400 mhz 192 mb hash 59 seconds.
>
>00:00:01.0	-0.40	9	286140	Bg7 Nd5 Bxd5 cxd5 Nb4 g3 Nxd5 Bd3 Ne7 Ba6+ Kd7
>00:00:01.6	-0.40	10	452113	Bg7 Nd5 Bxd5 cxd5 Nb4 g3 Nxd5 Bd3 Ne7 Ba6+ Kb8 Bc4
>00:00:02.7	-0.40	11	768473	Bg7 Nd5 Bxd5 cxd5 Nb4 g3 Nxd5 Bd3 Ne7 Ba6+ Kb8 Bc4
>Nd5
>00:00:07.1	-0.28	12	2045697	Bg7 Nd5 Nb4 Nxb4 cxb4 c5 f6 Ba6+ Kb8 exf6 Bxf6 Rad1
>Rd5 cxb6 axb6
>00:00:10.8	-0.26	13	3116758	Bg7 Nd5 Nb4 Nxb4 cxb4 a3 bxa3 Rxa3 a5 c5 Kb7 Be2 Bd5
>cxb6 cxb6
>00:00:26.7	-0.36	14	7646040	Bg7 Nd5 Nb4 Nxb4 cxb4 a3 bxa3 Rxa3 a5 c5 Kb7 Be2 Bd5
>Rd1 Kc6 Bd3
>00:00:59.1	-0.15	14	17047615	Nb4 Rc1 Bg7 a3 Nd3+ Bxd3 Rxd3 Ke2 Rhd8 Rhe1 R3d7
>Kf2 Rd3 Ke2 R3d7 Kf2
>00:01:47.9	-0.08	15	31375713	Nb4 Rc1 Bg7 a3 Nd3+ Bxd3 Rxd3 Ke2 Rhd8 Rhe1 R3d7
>Red1 Rxd1 Rxd1 Rxd1 Kxd1 f6 Nb5
>00:02:58.9	-0.04	16	52891765	Nb4 Rc1 Bg7 a3 Nd3+ Bxd3 Rxd3 Ke2 Rhd8 Rhd1 Rxd1
>Rxd1 Rxd1 Kxd1 f6 Nb5 fxe5
>
>Sarah.

CM 9000 analysis follows:

Time	Depth	Score	Positions	Moves
0:22	1/10	0.18	2019899		1...Bg7 2.Nd5 Nb4 3.Nxb4 cxb4 4.Re1
					Kb8 5.c5 f6 6.exf6 Bxf6 7.cxb6
0:28	1/10	0.02	2616465		1...Nb4 2.Rc1 Bg7 3.a3 Nd3+ 4.Bxd3
					Rxd3 5.Ke2 Rdd8 6.Rhd1 Kb7 7.Kf3
					Rhe8
0:44	2/11	0.05	4009153		1...Nb4 2.Rc1 Bg7 3.a3 Nd3+ 4.Bxd3
					Rxd3 5.Ke2 Rdd8 6.Nd5 Bxd5 7.cxd5
					Rxd5 8.Rhd1 Rhd8 9.Rxd5 Rxd5
1:37	3/12	-0.02	9618144		1...Nb4 2.Rc1 Bg7 3.a3 Nd3+ 4.Bxd3
					Rxd3 5.Ke2 Rdd8 6.Rhd1 f6 7.exf6
					Bxf6 8.Nd5 Bg7
4:36	4/13	-0.19	29219198	1...Nb4 2.Rc1 Bg7 3.a3 Nd3+ 4.Bxd3
					Rxd3 5.Rhd1 Rxd1 6.Rxd1 f6 7.exf6
					Bxf6 8.Nd5 Rd8 9.Ke2

28 seconds ... pretty respectable.  Pentium IV 1.6 Ghz 64 MB hashtables

Roy



This page took 0 seconds to execute

Last modified: Thu, 15 Apr 21 08:11:13 -0700

Current Computer Chess Club Forums at Talkchess. This site by Sean Mintz.