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Subject: Re: Deep Fritz performance will surpase Deeper Blue of 1997!

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 16:58:14 10/10/02

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On October 10, 2002 at 19:19:07, Wayne Lowrance wrote:

>On October 10, 2002 at 18:26:28, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>>On October 10, 2002 at 18:15:48, Jorge Pichard wrote:
>>
>>>On October 10, 2002 at 18:06:12, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>
>>>>On October 10, 2002 at 15:00:33, Jorge Pichard wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On October 10, 2002 at 11:25:53, Graham Laight wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Considering that Fritz lost two of the first four games, and drew the other two,
>>>>>>winning three of the remaining four games (the minimum needed to win the match)
>>>>>>is a tall order.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>-g
>>>>>
>>>>>At this point even one more draw and a win is better than what most of us here
>>>>>expected from Deep Fritz. I still have hope for DF to win the first game of the
>>>>>match, and as Kramnik becomes more fatigue the better the chances for Deep Fritz
>>>>>to win one single game. This is a great accomplishment for Deep Fritz team to be
>>>>>able to draw at least 3 games, considering that Kramnik had the actual program
>>>>>before the match. This performance is much better than Deeper Blue of 1997,
>>>>>considering the condictions set before the match for Kasparov.
>>>>>
>>>>>Pichard.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>No way DF could surpass the result posted by DB in 1997.  It might _equal_ that
>>>>result if
>>>>it manages to win.  But not if it gets drubbed as it has in the first four
>>>>games...
>>>
>>>Kasparov would have also drubbed Deeper blue if he was allowed to play against
>>>deeper Blue for at least a month before the match started. Lets NOT just count
>>>the # of Win or Draw here, lets consider the case under the same circunstance.
>>>
>>>Pichard.
>>
>>
>>Based on what?  The match rules would _still_ have allowed modifications to be
>>made between rounds.  But Kasparov couldn't possibly have played against Deep
>>Blue
>>until it was completed, which happened a week or so prior to the match.
>
>I have stayed out of this DB thing. But I would have to guess that DB would not
>have won the match if it was held at a later date with  the same rules that DF
>has to live with. Just conjecture of course, but this whole match has pissed me
>off from the very start because of the rules, unfair I think
>
>Wayne


This is a classic case of "self-screwing".  :)  The conditions are ridiculous,
and the
match can be called the same now, since we _knew_ how it was going to turn out,
given the conditions that are in effect.

This might have been interesting, had it been held 15-20 years into the future,
when
the computers are _really_ going to be difficult to beat.  But not today.  Going
from
the total lack of preparation in the DB match, to this farce, is simply too big
a jump.

There is a _lot_ of room in the middle of this mess that would be less unfair to
the
computer or the human.



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