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Subject: Re: PLEASE don't say that Deep Fritz is superior to Deep Blue!!!

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 17:09:12 10/10/02

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On October 10, 2002 at 16:59:54, Jeremiah Penery wrote:

>On October 10, 2002 at 15:55:32, Uri Blass wrote:
>
>>Deep blue did not see Qe3 in the main line based on the logfiles of IBM.
>>A lot of programs of today can see it with no problem.
>>
>>Some programs can even see the move Kh1 instead of Kf1 of Deep blue(I did not
>>check the last deep Fritz but previous Deep Fritz is one of them).
>>
>>It is not a proof that deep blue is weaker but it is an evidence that Deep
>>blue's evaluation is inferior.
>>
>>Good evaluation is not about knowing the truth(that you cannot know) but about
>>giving a better estimate and it seems that the top programs of today get better
>>decisions based on positional reasons.
>
>In Hsu's book, there is a large section about the 1997 match, going through
>game-by-game.  It's very surprising how many evaluation bugs they found, and
>there's no doubt there were many more.  The full DB2 never played a serious game
>before the 1997 match, either, so it's inevitable that things weren't tuned to
>the best possible accuracy.  It's hard to compare something like that to a
>commercial program of today, which plays thousands of testing games and the
>programmers have as long as they want to tune each parameter.
>
>DB2 only played 6 games in its lifetime.  To compare its positional strength to
>anything based on those games is meaningless.  Or if you really want, I can
>easily find 6 games where some commercial program was completely clueless
>positionally. :)


It simply shows that DB was very resiliant _and_ strong.  It was barely put
together in time
for the match, yet it managed to win.  I did _exactly_ the same thing in 1983
when we won
the WCCC event.  We had not played a complete game prior to round 1.  In fact,
as I drove
to New York, Harry Nelson was in Minneapolis at Cray headquarters helping them
fix a
multiprocessing bug in their operating system we had found.  We started round 1
never
having played more than 2-3 moves in a row.  And the program performed
flawlessly for
five rounds and won outright...

DB was very strong, regardless of what others say.  To say Fritz is stronger is
a joke, and
a bad one at that.  Based on what?  DB _did_ beat Kasparov.  Fritz is getting
squeezed beyond
imagining.  I think that the DB accomplishment was remarkable, and all the more
so after
reading Hsu's book which accounts for the year prior to "the match" in 1997.



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