Author: Daniel Clausen
Date: 05:53:14 10/11/02
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On October 11, 2002 at 06:12:07, Uri Blass wrote: >On October 11, 2002 at 05:46:03, stuart taylor wrote: > >>On October 10, 2002 at 02:56:58, Daniel Clausen wrote: >> >>>On October 09, 2002 at 21:17:45, stuart taylor wrote: >>> >>>[snip] >>> >>>>And you anyway need about 500 games to come to a sensible estimation. >>> >>>There are several ways to to find out whether X is better than Y. One of them is >>>to play countless games and simply see who gets more points. This is typically >>>done in all the engine-engine matches and/or what the SSDF does. >>> >>>Another way is to play a few games but _objectively_ analyze the games >>>afterwards. This way doesn't work very well when comparing 2 engines, because >>>they style of play is similar, in a bigger sense. It works quite good in the >>>Kramnik-DF match though, in my opinion. >>> >>>While it's very well possible, that the match turns in the next games, I have no >>>doubt, that Kramnik indeed is stronger than DF, because I think the way he won >>>his games so far are so convincing. (it's not that DF had bad luck or something, >>>it simply lost chanceless - in my opinion) >>> >>>I wish people wouldn't be so focused on the match score of a match with only 8 >>>games. It really doesn't say a whole lot, whether it's 4.5 - 3.5 or 4-4 at the >>>end. But people are so focused on these numbers. I suggest that we enjoy the >>>games rather than counting beans. :) >>> >>>Sargon >> >>Thanks for your answer. So you say that numerous games is only necesary with >>Comp-comp games. But not when there is at least one human. > >I do not believe in it > >I remember that sofia polgar won a tournament in Rome with 8.5/9 >with performace of more than 2800 when she had not even rating of 2400. > >She won 2 unrated players and 7 players with average fide rating >of more than 2500. > >This was her best result and later tournaments showed that >this tournament was only an accident > >How do you explain it? I meant it as a general rule.. that 'playing 1000 games' is not the only way to find out who's stronger. Of course not all methods work as well in all cases. Btw: Your example doesn't have anything to do with what I was suggesting, since you present only the results of a few games. My claim was either "results only of many games" or "a few games but analyzed objectively". Sargon
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