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Subject: Re: Question for Robert Hyatt about Deep Blue moves

Author: Vincent Diepeveen

Date: 10:22:58 10/11/02

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On October 11, 2002 at 13:15:12, Jeremiah Penery wrote:

>On October 11, 2002 at 13:07:55, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:
>
>>On October 11, 2002 at 12:55:43, Daniel Clausen wrote:
>>
>>>On October 11, 2002 at 08:14:11, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:
>>>
>>>>On October 11, 2002 at 08:11:58, Uri Blass wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On October 11, 2002 at 08:02:47, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On October 11, 2002 at 00:59:36, Slater Wold wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Slate, everyone recognizes that deep thought was an
>>>>>>absolute beginner. Do you agree?
>>>>>
>>>>>No
>>>>>
>>>>>I did not say that deep thought was an absolute beginner.
>>>>>I believe that everybody is going to disagree with you about it.
>>>>>
>>>>>I believe that everybody's opinion is that deep thought can beat most of the
>>>>>humans of today.
>>>>>
>>>>>i believe that everybody's opinion is that Deep thought can achieve today more
>>>>>than fide rating of 2000 against humans and beginners cannot do it.
>>>>
>>>>2000 is beginners level to me.
>>>>
>>>>Look deep thought:
>>>>
>>>>5k2/7R/4P2p/5K2/p1r2P1p/8/8/8 b LCTFIN04 (...h3!)
>>>
>>>I wouldn't call it lying but you try to make DT weaker than it really is by
>>>posting positions where the problem of the repetition recognition shows up. I
>>>call it manipulating people though. Not very scientific.. it more resembles a
>>>mud fight.
>>>
>>>Sargon
>>
>>the trivial thing about deep thought which people forget is that it
>>got tens of millions of nodes a second. No one has problems believing that
>>the current software generation is annihilating that.
>>
>>This despite that it was gettting way more nodes a second than current software.
>>
>>Why would beating DB a problem then?
>
>Because DB(2) has nothing in common with DT(2).  It would be like comparing
>Fritz 1.0 on 1992(?) hardware to the current Fritz that plays against Kramnik.

not really, if i watch the games of DBII i have to laugh bigtime for its
level.





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