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Subject: Re: PLEASE don't say that Deep Fritz is superior to Deep Blue!!!

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 13:48:54 10/11/02

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On October 09, 2002 at 19:34:00, martin fierz wrote:

>On October 09, 2002 at 18:46:21, Uri Blass wrote:
>
>>On October 09, 2002 at 17:48:43, Jason Jarrells wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>     After what I have seen, I have NO doubt in my mind what so ever, that DEEP
>>>BLUE is superior to Deep Fritz.  I am so tired of people saying that Fritz is
>>>superior to Deep Blue...  That is total BS..  What do they base it one?  I mean
>>>do they compare Hardware?  LOL..  Deep Blue looked at 200,000,000 moves a
>>>second.  Fritz sees 3,000,000 a second.  Deep Blue gives Kasparov all he can
>>>handle and them some.  It WINS!!!  Deep Fritz on the other hand is getting
>>>OWNED!!  TOTALLY ABUSED!!  Kramnik isn't that much better then Kasparov.  Some
>>>people say that Kasparov just can't play against computers.  I don't buy that.
>>>We will se in a couple months.  IF he abuses Deep Junior as Kramnik is to Fritz,
>>>then will that answer the questions about the strength of Deep Blue?  That will
>>>be the strongest in my mind untill something can win over the best GM's.  Or
>>>untill they put Deep Fritz on Deep Blue's hardware.  Then and ONLY then will
>>>Fritz be stronger then Deep Blue.
>>
>>There is going to be no proof so why do you insist to discuss it.
>>
>>You cannot compare kasparov of 1997 with kasparov of today and there is no way
>>to do a match between them.
>>
>>You cannot compare the matches when kasparov trained against Junior(inspite of
>>the fact that he could not train against the version that he is going to play)
>>and kasparov could not train even against Deep blueI before the match against
>>deep blue II.
>>
>>I guess that kasparov is going to beat Deep Junior 4-2 but it is not going to
>>prove nothing.
>>
>>The reason that people believe that Deep blue is weaker is that they found no
>>impressing move in the moves of deep blue against kasparov(there is no
>>impressive moves that top programs need hours to find).
>
>i don't really want to discuss DB-DF, because we will never know. but your
>argument doesnt seem valid to me. you don't need lots of !! moves to play great
>chess. what you really need is very few ? / ?? moves. and DF seems to have
>played more ? moves in the first 3 games than DB did in the entire match with
>kasparov...
>
>aloha
>  martin

I do not think that you are right here.

I do not think that Fritz played a lot of ? moves but one ? is enough to lose
the game.

We also cannot compare the matches because the conditions are different
and I expect a program to play more ? when the opponent is prepared.

Uri



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