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Subject: Re: Unethical gamble with the psyche of Human chess players Part II

Author: James T. Walker

Date: 18:40:18 10/11/02

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On October 11, 2002 at 15:25:19, Roy Eassa wrote:

>On October 10, 2002 at 08:23:48, James T. Walker wrote:
>
>>On October 10, 2002 at 08:05:50, Rolf Tueschen wrote:
>>
>>>On October 10, 2002 at 08:00:48, Otello Gnaramori wrote:
>>>
>>>>On October 10, 2002 at 07:44:05, Andrew Williams wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>I think the words, "unethical", "confession" and "criminological" are all
>>>>>completely inappropriate here. Maybe that's because English is not your first
>>>>>language, but it's a very unproductive way to try to open a debate.
>>>>>
>>>>>Andrew
>>>>
>>>>I think that those words have to been seen with "humorous mode" turned on.
>>>>Probably Rolf should use more the smiling faces... :)
>>>>
>>>>w.b.r.
>>>>Otello
>>>
>>>Thanks Otello, but don't expect too much understanding. Programmers have
>>>something more serious to do than thinking about chess in general. :))))
>>>Please read also my post on Matthias. There you can read, if you know to read
>>>German a bit, how deeply depressed they are at the moment.
>>>
>>>Rolf Tueschen
>>>
>>>:-))========
>>
>>I don't read German but I can't see how they can possibly be depressed!  They
>>set up the match so Kramnik had all the advantages any human could ask for and
>>they are now surprised by the results????????
>>Jim
>
>
>Not nearly all the advantages.
>
>All the advantage a human could hope for would include having the same program
>many months ahead (but Deep Fritz 7 only existed for a few weeks before the
>match), having the same hardware many months ahead (not so in this case) and
>having the same opening book many months ahead (but Kramnik did not have it at
>all).

I understand what you are saying but I don't think Kramnik would spend many
months studying Fritz.  The book is not so important when playing Kramnik.  I'm
sure he is up on most any opening you can cook up.  My Fritz 7 played most of
the moves the "new" deep Fritz 7 played very quickly.  The programs do not
change that much in  less than 1 year.  In any case I think the bottom line is
that todays programs on PC's are somewhere between Christiansen and Kramnik.
Not really a surprise to anyone here.
Jim



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