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Subject: Re: CM 9000 test so far

Author: Terry Ripple

Date: 07:44:41 10/12/02

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On October 12, 2002 at 10:39:38, Harald Faber wrote:

>On October 12, 2002 at 10:35:28, Kurt Utzinger wrote:
>
>>On October 12, 2002 at 10:17:09, Harald Faber wrote:
>>
>>>On October 12, 2002 at 09:27:25, Kurt Utzinger wrote:
>>>
>>>>There are three differences:
>>>>
>>>>1.)
>>>>Harald Faber is using the autoplayer and two PC's
>>>>
>>>>2.)
>>>>Harald Faber is playing with ponder=on
>>>>
>>>>3.)
>>>>Harald Faber used the kostick.btk (under Shredder-GUI) for CM9 and the
>>>>commercial books for the other programs, whereas we chiefly let all programs
>>>>play with the remis.ctg (write protected, thus no learning). We wanted to test
>>>>playing strenght of engines only and not good/bad books.
>>>>
>>>>In my opinion the last point may have the greatest influence on the outcome of
>>>>matches, and furthermore the Kostick book may be too old fashioned to keep up
>>>>with other modern books. And eventually, there is always a statistical margin of
>>>>error in all matches played.
>>>>
>>>>Kurt
>>>
>>>
>>>IMO the Kostick book is even better for testing than some remis/draw opening
>>>book. Just my 2 cents.
>>>And you forgot to mention
>>>
>>>4) I am testing 40/120+60 whereas you test 40/40.
>>>( 5) The opponents use the 5-man tbs)
>>>
>>>4 SIGNIFICANT differences.
>>
>>With respect to books you are surely wrong Harald. The program (CM_9000) using
>>the Kostick.btk (converted Kostik.opk) has a disadvantage vs the top modern
>>commercial books of Deep Fritz, Hiarcs8 and so on. That was the reason why we
>>gave all program the same remis.ctg book. This book does not at all include
>>lines that lead to drawish games, but the programs are at the same moment out of
>>book in balanced (positional/dynamical) situations.
>>Kurt
>
>May I remind you on the CLEAR loss CM 9000 plus Shredder opening book vs.
>DeepFritz 7?
>For me it does not look like a big dependency on the book.
>Anyway, sure, for further testing I will modify the Kostick book, there are some
>strange King's Indian and A11 lines contained which a program should not play.
--------

Will it help to make each program play the black and white side in each opening
line to alleviate weak lines as both must play it?

Terry



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