Author: Terry Ripple
Date: 07:44:41 10/12/02
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On October 12, 2002 at 10:39:38, Harald Faber wrote: >On October 12, 2002 at 10:35:28, Kurt Utzinger wrote: > >>On October 12, 2002 at 10:17:09, Harald Faber wrote: >> >>>On October 12, 2002 at 09:27:25, Kurt Utzinger wrote: >>> >>>>There are three differences: >>>> >>>>1.) >>>>Harald Faber is using the autoplayer and two PC's >>>> >>>>2.) >>>>Harald Faber is playing with ponder=on >>>> >>>>3.) >>>>Harald Faber used the kostick.btk (under Shredder-GUI) for CM9 and the >>>>commercial books for the other programs, whereas we chiefly let all programs >>>>play with the remis.ctg (write protected, thus no learning). We wanted to test >>>>playing strenght of engines only and not good/bad books. >>>> >>>>In my opinion the last point may have the greatest influence on the outcome of >>>>matches, and furthermore the Kostick book may be too old fashioned to keep up >>>>with other modern books. And eventually, there is always a statistical margin of >>>>error in all matches played. >>>> >>>>Kurt >>> >>> >>>IMO the Kostick book is even better for testing than some remis/draw opening >>>book. Just my 2 cents. >>>And you forgot to mention >>> >>>4) I am testing 40/120+60 whereas you test 40/40. >>>( 5) The opponents use the 5-man tbs) >>> >>>4 SIGNIFICANT differences. >> >>With respect to books you are surely wrong Harald. The program (CM_9000) using >>the Kostick.btk (converted Kostik.opk) has a disadvantage vs the top modern >>commercial books of Deep Fritz, Hiarcs8 and so on. That was the reason why we >>gave all program the same remis.ctg book. This book does not at all include >>lines that lead to drawish games, but the programs are at the same moment out of >>book in balanced (positional/dynamical) situations. >>Kurt > >May I remind you on the CLEAR loss CM 9000 plus Shredder opening book vs. >DeepFritz 7? >For me it does not look like a big dependency on the book. >Anyway, sure, for further testing I will modify the Kostick book, there are some >strange King's Indian and A11 lines contained which a program should not play. -------- Will it help to make each program play the black and white side in each opening line to alleviate weak lines as both must play it? Terry
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