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Subject: Re: Anti-human programs as completely separate entities

Author: Otello Gnaramori

Date: 09:45:47 10/12/02

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On October 11, 2002 at 17:37:37, Terry McCracken wrote:

>On October 11, 2002 at 16:47:42, martin fierz wrote:
>
>>On October 11, 2002 at 16:30:33, Daniel Clausen wrote:
>>
>>>On October 11, 2002 at 16:15:21, Otello Gnaramori wrote:
>>>
>>>[snip]
>>>
>>>>That is exactly what is missing in those games just seen in the match
>>>>Kramnik-DF... "the chess beauty" !
>>>
>>>Game #2 was a fantastic game in my opinion. You seem to apply that "chess
>>>beauty" is equal to incredible queen sacs and whatnot.
>>>
>>>Sargon
>>
>>i have often noticed that what people find beautiful in chess depends on their
>>understanding of chess. to somebody who plays no chess at all, nothing is
>>beautiful. to weak players, a queen sac forcing a mate in 2 is beautiful. to
>>average players, a classic like Bxh7+ Kxh7 Qh5+ Kg8 Ng5 and mate in all forms is
>>beautiful. for strong players, there is no beauty there - it's just routine.
>>i have noticed that the stronger i got at chess, the more i could appreciate
>>other forms of chess beauty. most of the 1600 hacks who post here can't enjoy
>>those DF-kramnik games as much as i do. hmm, instead of complaining they should
>>work on their chess :-)
>>
>>there's a nice anecdote on this thing: kasparov was once on german TV and they
>>asked him about such a Bxh7 position - i'm not sure if he could see the board or
>>not, i think not. it was a forced mate in 8. they wanted to show the viewers who
>>knew nothing about chess that kasparov would see a mate in 8 in a split second,
>>blindfolded. but he didnt! he was confused, and didnt give the solution in a
>>second like anticipated. what happened? he thought: it was an obvious mate in 8
>>- how could they ask him to solve something as trivial as that? so he just
>>refused to answer IIRC. 99 of 100 chess players would be glad to find a
>>beautiful combination, but kasparov was insulted by it :-)
>>
>>aloha
>>  martin
>
>LOL! But point well taken!

Hi Terry,
Martin just wanted show us his undeniable superiority in chess (...showing also
a bit of arrogance ), but I'm not completely convinced that he doesn't
appreciate the beauty of a combination or an amazing sacrifice, since they are
quite commonly appreciated among any categories of players in spite of Martin's
claim.

Regards,
Otello






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