Author: Harald Faber
Date: 14:23:33 10/12/02
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On October 12, 2002 at 10:44:41, Terry Ripple wrote: >On October 12, 2002 at 10:39:38, Harald Faber wrote: > >>On October 12, 2002 at 10:35:28, Kurt Utzinger wrote: >> >>>On October 12, 2002 at 10:17:09, Harald Faber wrote: >>> >>>>On October 12, 2002 at 09:27:25, Kurt Utzinger wrote: >>>> >>>>>There are three differences: >>>>> >>>>>1.) >>>>>Harald Faber is using the autoplayer and two PC's >>>>> >>>>>2.) >>>>>Harald Faber is playing with ponder=on >>>>> >>>>>3.) >>>>>Harald Faber used the kostick.btk (under Shredder-GUI) for CM9 and the >>>>>commercial books for the other programs, whereas we chiefly let all programs >>>>>play with the remis.ctg (write protected, thus no learning). We wanted to test >>>>>playing strenght of engines only and not good/bad books. >>>>> >>>>>In my opinion the last point may have the greatest influence on the outcome of >>>>>matches, and furthermore the Kostick book may be too old fashioned to keep up >>>>>with other modern books. And eventually, there is always a statistical margin of >>>>>error in all matches played. >>>>> >>>>>Kurt >>>> >>>> >>>>IMO the Kostick book is even better for testing than some remis/draw opening >>>>book. Just my 2 cents. >>>>And you forgot to mention >>>> >>>>4) I am testing 40/120+60 whereas you test 40/40. >>>>( 5) The opponents use the 5-man tbs) >>>> >>>>4 SIGNIFICANT differences. >>> >>>With respect to books you are surely wrong Harald. The program (CM_9000) using >>>the Kostick.btk (converted Kostik.opk) has a disadvantage vs the top modern >>>commercial books of Deep Fritz, Hiarcs8 and so on. That was the reason why we >>>gave all program the same remis.ctg book. This book does not at all include >>>lines that lead to drawish games, but the programs are at the same moment out of >>>book in balanced (positional/dynamical) situations. >>>Kurt >> >>May I remind you on the CLEAR loss CM 9000 plus Shredder opening book vs. >>DeepFritz 7? >>For me it does not look like a big dependency on the book. >>Anyway, sure, for further testing I will modify the Kostick book, there are some >>strange King's Indian and A11 lines contained which a program should not play. >-------- > >Will it help to make each program play the black and white side in each opening >line to alleviate weak lines as both must play it? > >Terry Maybe, but so far I haven't found out how to do this.
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