Author: Marc van Hal
Date: 14:26:29 10/12/02
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On October 12, 2002 at 10:44:41, Terry Ripple wrote: >On October 12, 2002 at 10:39:38, Harald Faber wrote: > >>On October 12, 2002 at 10:35:28, Kurt Utzinger wrote: >> >>>On October 12, 2002 at 10:17:09, Harald Faber wrote: >>> >>>>On October 12, 2002 at 09:27:25, Kurt Utzinger wrote: >>>> >>>>>There are three differences: >>>>> >>>>>1.) >>>>>Harald Faber is using the autoplayer and two PC's >>>>> >>>>>2.) >>>>>Harald Faber is playing with ponder=on >>>>> >>>>>3.) >>>>>Harald Faber used the kostick.btk (under Shredder-GUI) for CM9 and the >>>>>commercial books for the other programs, whereas we chiefly let all programs >>>>>play with the remis.ctg (write protected, thus no learning). We wanted to test >>>>>playing strenght of engines only and not good/bad books. >>>>> >>>>>In my opinion the last point may have the greatest influence on the outcome of >>>>>matches, and furthermore the Kostick book may be too old fashioned to keep up >>>>>with other modern books. And eventually, there is always a statistical margin of >>>>>error in all matches played. >>>>> >>>>>Kurt >>>> >>>> >>>>IMO the Kostick book is even better for testing than some remis/draw opening >>>>book. Just my 2 cents. >>>>And you forgot to mention >>>> >>>>4) I am testing 40/120+60 whereas you test 40/40. >>>>( 5) The opponents use the 5-man tbs) >>>> >>>>4 SIGNIFICANT differences. >>> >>>With respect to books you are surely wrong Harald. The program (CM_9000) using >>>the Kostick.btk (converted Kostik.opk) has a disadvantage vs the top modern >>>commercial books of Deep Fritz, Hiarcs8 and so on. That was the reason why we >>>gave all program the same remis.ctg book. This book does not at all include >>>lines that lead to drawish games, but the programs are at the same moment out of >>>book in balanced (positional/dynamical) situations. >>>Kurt >> >>May I remind you on the CLEAR loss CM 9000 plus Shredder opening book vs. >>DeepFritz 7? >>For me it does not look like a big dependency on the book. >>Anyway, sure, for further testing I will modify the Kostick book, there are some >>strange King's Indian and A11 lines contained which a program should not play. >-------- > >Will it help to make each program play the black and white side in each opening >line to alleviate weak lines as both must play it? > >Terry What about using the Knaak book Rebels autoplayer rbm then each side has white and Black in the same position you only have to play more games then On the other hand each program should use it's own book. That's what comes with the package for good reasons. Marc
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