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Subject: Re: DF7/ Bahrain is stronger than Deep Blue II was (I guess...?)

Author: Terry Ripple

Date: 17:08:01 10/13/02

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On October 13, 2002 at 19:03:39, Mike S. wrote:

>On October 13, 2002 at 18:24:58, Deepak Nityanandam wrote:
>
>>During Dr Hsu's chat he said that the DB2 programmers didnt even consider DF
>>for benchmarking purposes as they thought it was "way to weak" to play against
>>DB2.
>
>Maybe in 1997. But now as it's clear (or fairly clear...) that Deep Blue's
>typical depth of "11(6)" did NOT mean 11 + 6 of nominal depth, but a depth of 11
>and a *maximum* of 6 plies in the hardware for quiesence search  (I hope I got
>that right, finally), it seems obvious that Fritz has become stronger than Deep
>Blue was. And most probably some other programs too, which are of similar
>strength like Fritz 7.
>
>It has been reported that Deep Fritz in Bahrain reaches a depth of 16 or 17 (I
>can't remember exactly and where I read it) in the middlegame.
>
>Also, even on single cpu running at 1,2 GHz, Fritz 7 reaches "base" depths of
>15...16 in a few minutes, and selective depths of more than 40! It was said that
>Deep Blue II had much more knowledge in the evals (than used today), but can
>that compensate for ~4...5 additional plies? In general, I don't think so.
>
>Regards,
>M.Scheidl
>
>
>Athlon@1,2 GHz, 256 MB Hash, Fritz 7.0.0.8, starting position:
>
>1.e4 d5 2.exd5 Dxd5 3.Sc3 Dd7 4.d4 Sf6 5.Ld3 Sc6
>  =  (0.16)   Tiefe: 9/29   00:00:00  232kN
>1.e4 e5 2.Sf3 d5 3.exd5 Dxd5 4.Sc3 De6 5.Sb5 Ld6 6.Sxd6+ cxd6 7.Lb5+ Sc6
>  =  (0.22)   Tiefe: 10/29   00:00:01  835kN
>1.e4 e5 2.Sf3 Sf6 3.d4 Sxe4 4.Ld3 d5 5.dxe5
>  =  (0.16)   Tiefe: 11/29   00:00:03  1828kN
>1.e4 e5 2.Sf3 Sc6 3.Sc3 Sf6 4.d4 exd4 5.Sxd4 Lb4 6.Lg5 Lxc3+ 7.bxc3 0-0 8.Sxc6
>  =  (0.13)   Tiefe: 12/35   00:00:07  3895kN
>1.e4 e5 2.Sf3 Sf6 3.d4 Sxe4 4.Ld3 d5 5.Sxe5 Sd7 6.Dh5 Lb4+ 7.Ld2 g6
>  =  (0.16)   Tiefe: 13/36   00:00:20  11539kN
>1.e4 e5 2.Sf3 Sf6 3.d4 exd4 4.e5 Se4 5.Dxd4 d5 6.exd6 Sxd6 7.De5+ Le6 8.Ld3
>  =  (0.16)   Tiefe: 14/39   00:00:42  23873kN
>1.e4 e5 2.Sf3 Sf6 3.Sc3 Lb4 4.Sxe5 0-0 5.De2 Lxc3 6.dxc3 De7 7.Sd3 Sxe4 8.Lg5
>  =  (0.16)   Tiefe: 15/41   00:01:40  57410kN
>1.e4 e5 2.Sf3 Sf6 3.Sxe5 De7 4.d4 d6 5.Sf3 Sxe4 6.Lb5+ Ld7 7.Le2 d5 8.0-0
>  =  (0.22)   Tiefe: 16/47   00:06:08  212072kN
>                     ----------------
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Dr. Hsu said in the interview that Deep Blue was much stronger than Deep fritz
ever was!!!

 Terry



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