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Subject: Re: "Deep Blue ..." in 1995

Author: Vincent Diepeveen

Date: 06:33:52 10/14/02

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On October 14, 2002 at 06:43:01, Odd Gunnar Malin wrote:

>On October 14, 2002 at 06:03:53, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:
>
>>On October 14, 2002 at 04:19:46, Odd Gunnar Malin wrote:
>>
>>>On October 14, 2002 at 04:04:30, Ingo Althofer wrote:
>>>
>>>>In the log-files of the ICC hour with Feng Hsiung Hsu
>>>>the following passages can be found:
>>>>
>>>>> EeEk(* DM) kibitzes: I heard that Fritz did
>>>>> play a match against Deep Blue in Hong Kong
>>>>> 1995,according to one of the Fritz programmers,
>>>>> is this not true?
>>>>> CrazyBird(DM) kibitzes:
>>>>> false advertisement. deep blue does not exist
>>>>> until 1996. the new chip was not completed
>>>>> until january 1996...
>>>>>
>>>>> ...
>>>>>
>>>>> EeEk(* DM) kibitzes: question from oddg: Back to
>>>>> the WC 1995, There was an entry with the name
>>>>> Deep Blue (Fritz won against DB), did it not have
>>>>> any relations to your Deep Blue? (EeEk: any idea
>>>>> how Deep Blue's name got in there, is this
>>>>> completely false?)
>>>>> CrazyBird(DM) kibitzes: deep blue did not play in
>>>>> 1995, since it did not exist yet.
>>>>> it was just deliberate relabeling on the part of
>>>>> commercial vendors, for obvious reasons.
>>>>
>>>
>>>You cliped a bit to early, here are the rest of his answer:
>>
>>But he said it wasn't deep blue. that's nonsense it was deep blue.
>>whether it was the old dtii is logical. every year you
>>have new versions of your thing of course. 95,96,97 each year new
>>chips. but it WAS called deep blue. calling it something else now
>>is not nice. If it had won, it would be said different: "deep blue
>>dominated always and also against kasparov". That the level of the
>>games played by computers in 1995-1997 was still very low, the audience
>>has forgotten of course.
>>
>>Relevant is that it was called deep blue. Not deep shit.
>>
>
>The relevance to my question was just as I quoted below.
>I tried to formulate the question in this way because his earlier answer could
>lead people to think that he meant that another firm was advertising with the DB
>name. See EeEk's add to my question.
>
>The name "Deep Blue Prototype" was used in the Internet match against Illescas
>in 1995 too.
>
>oddg

Hsu said in the talk online that it didn't carry any name with regard
to Deep Blue at all, instead the name 'deep blue' was used only years
later.

That's presenting the truth better than it was...

>>>"
>>>CrazyBird(DM) kibitzes: the program played was deep thought ii. which
>>>was vastly inferior to deep blue in chess knowledge as well search
>>>speed (1000 to 1 ratio in effective speed, 100 to 1 in raw speed)
>>>CrazyBird(DM) kibitzes: and we were as unlucky as kramnik is today:).
>>>"
>>



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