Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 11:01:15 10/14/02
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On October 14, 2002 at 03:14:54, Uri Blass wrote: >On October 13, 2002 at 21:51:41, Robert Hyatt wrote: > >>On October 13, 2002 at 11:16:29, Chris Taylor wrote: >> >>>On October 13, 2002 at 11:12:30, Mustafa wrote: >>> >>>>I think a GM who plays that good can never blunder like this he knew that Ne7+ >>>>would win the game for white still he played that Queen move i think this game >>>>was fixed and kramnik knew that he will lose this game and fritz will win anyone >>>>do also think the same way do i. >>> >>>Guess it shows that Humans, can be Human too?? >>> >>>So, I agree with you, sort of............ >>> >>>When did Kramnik last blunder, against a Human player? Answers on a post-card!! >>> >>>Chris >> >> >>The point should be this: >> >>(1) when did he last blunder (and) >>(2) when did his opponent notice? >> >>That is a completely different question. >> >>I find it hard to believe any conspiracy theories here. He made a mistake that >>might >>not be obvious, and the computer jumped on it. End of story. It happened in >>the DB >>match. It happened in this match. I have seen GM players make such mistakes in >>major >>events more than once, and in fact, I have seen them hang a piece and their >>opponent >>didn't even notice. > >2 points: > >1)Kramnik is not the average GM but better than it. So? I saw this kind of nonsense at invited GM events where the best 16 in the world were competing. It just happens... > >2)Kramnik was not in serious time trouble(less than 1 minute per move) >and the question is how many mistakes do GM's when they have average time of >more than 1 minutes per move and I do not talk about tactical mistake of not >seeing something that a computer needs 4-5 plies to see because this can be seen >by computers in 1-2 plies. So? I saw the #5 player in the world hang a queen to a two-move mate threat a few years ago. He had to either give up the queen or get mated in two moves. He had several good moves to avoid both, but played a move that instantly lost, and it took Crafty (which was commenting on the game in real-time on ICC) a one ply search to see this, in a millisecond or so. But the GM made the mistake _anyway_ and he was not in time trouble... > > > Don't expect that kind of inattention from a computer, of >>course. > >computers may do even bigger mistakes and the reason is simply bugs. > >Uri Not _nearly_ as often if the program is well-tested. But on occasion, even a computer will find a lemon move of course...
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