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Subject: Proposal for a new CC

Author: Rolf Tueschen

Date: 16:25:46 10/14/02


On October 11, 2002 at 23:26:59, Robert Hyatt wrote:

>You keep bringing this up, so here's a challenge:
>
>Formulate a rule (or rules) governing opening book knowledge.  The rule has to
>be fair
>to both players (computer and human) and the rule _must_ be enforcable or it
>will be
>useless.
>
>What would you like to see and why?
>\

First of all I know that I can't formulate such rules. I see you already in the
starting blocks to prove the impossibility. Just the same debate we had in the
topic about the prevention of cheating.

Let me make a little proposal. Why we together couldn't find a solution? This is
not a court room. Why do you want to work against solutions?

Another point: why is it so difficult to understand the strength of a concept
that says, let's find a solution for a honest CC. Without all the fishy tricks.
A ouple of hours ago I read a quote from Feng Hsu who said naively that chess
should well be about some secrecy on both sides...

But I disagree. I hope you can follow when I say that you won't beat the
creativity of human players with all your machines. Yes? So why not accept that
you are not there to invent sophisticated tricks to beat human players with your
machines but that you should your work as scientists. I'm talking to you as well
as Hsu!

Somehow it seems to me that you had a perverted understanding of science.

You should develop machines that are sophisticated at chess, but not
sophisticated tricks to psych out human opponents! Tell me what you would reply.

I think we must make a real ethical revolution in CC to stop that nonsense about
the dream that suddenly 1800 or weaker operators or programmers (I'm not talking
about you in person) could bet super GM just with the support of machines. That
is not the concept of CC I would prefer. Because then we are right back in the
middle of new cheats! I think Hsu made an beautiful unconscious confession. He
likes the secrecy and the tricks...

But as we could see in Bahrain, the whole hyperbole is unbelievable. Because
Fritz can't play such positions yet Kramnik presented in games 1 to 4. And
probably DB2 wouldn't have done better.

Let me make this very clear. Say, we had a really strong chess playing machine
in 20 years - - _then_ that monster would hopefully have a few tricks on its own
to play a match against the human Wch. Know what I mean? But today I do not want
to see one Hsu or one Friedel play such tricky games. That's ridiculous in my
eyes. So I hope I could make clear what I want. I do also dream of a fantastic
computer playing fantastic chess. But I detest tricky operators using some
tricks to psych out the GM. That might be real fun for them personally, but this
is not what I expected from scientists.

Could we agree so far and find new solutions for definitions how machines should
be supported along the FIDE rules? Or is it impossible to talk with you because
you just prefer to fight the old stuff again when you were a young student and
had the impression that you had to find certain rules made on the CC level
alone. If you want to cooperate then you should think about the FIDE rules. And
then it's not really a help if you or other people try to define me as the
representative of some evil force who would like to harm CC...

Rolf Tueschen



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