Author: Uri Blass
Date: 00:36:54 10/15/02
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On October 14, 2002 at 13:20:21, Robert Hyatt wrote: >On October 14, 2002 at 07:43:32, Harald Faber wrote: > >>On October 14, 2002 at 04:04:30, Ingo Althofer wrote: >> >>>In the log-files of the ICC hour with Feng Hsiung Hsu >>>the following passages can be found: >>> >>>> EeEk(* DM) kibitzes: I heard that Fritz did >>>> play a match against Deep Blue in Hong Kong >>>> 1995,according to one of the Fritz programmers, >>>> is this not true? >>>> CrazyBird(DM) kibitzes: >>>> false advertisement. deep blue does not exist >>>> until 1996. the new chip was not completed >>>> until january 1996... >>>> >>>> ... >>>> >>>> EeEk(* DM) kibitzes: question from oddg: Back to >>>> the WC 1995, There was an entry with the name >>>> Deep Blue (Fritz won against DB), did it not have >>>> any relations to your Deep Blue? (EeEk: any idea >>>> how Deep Blue's name got in there, is this >>>> completely false?) >>>> CrazyBird(DM) kibitzes: deep blue did not play in >>>> 1995, since it did not exist yet. >>>> it was just deliberate relabeling on the part of >>>> commercial vendors, for obvious reasons. >>> >>> >>>I had a look back into the June 1995 issue of the >>>ICCA Journal and found the following data which >>>might clearify things: >>> >>>* On p.97ff the contestants of the Hong Kong World >>>Championship are described. One of them is >>>"Deep Blue Prototype by Feng-Hsiung Hsu, ..." >>> >>>* On p.102 the Final Standings are given, with >>>"Pos.3 DEEP BLUE USA ...." >>> >>>* On p.130 of the same issue there is an announcement: >>> "The ACM Chess Challenge >>> World Champon Kasparov to play IBM's DEEP BLUE" >>>In this announcement it reads >>>"DEEP BLUE is being developed at the IBM ... by >>>Feng-Hsiung Hsu, Murray Campbell and Joe Hoane, >>>under the supervision of Chung-Jen Tan. An earlier >>>version of the system won the 1994 ACM International >>>Computer Chess Championship at Cape May, New Jersey." >>> >>> >>>So, the name "Deep Blue (Prototype)" was not a >>>"deliberate relabeling on the part of commercial >>>vendors" but the official name in 1995. >>> >>>Ingo Althofer. >> >> >>Hsu... well... he wouldn't be a friend of mine. Everything he says seems to be >>doubtful. DB Jr. 10-0 vs. other commercials where NOONE ever has seen the games >>except... guess who... yes, Hsu. Now denying the loss in 1995, of course it was >>"just a prototype absolutely not comparable with real DB". Nonsense. And >>honestly speaking, I do not believe 50% of what he says or writes. It is all >>about things noone else has ever seen, proven or whatever. > > >I think you will discover that "what you believe" doesn't matter much to most >people. Deep Blue did _not_ exist until 1996. Which means that it would be >impossible for someone to beat it in 1995... prior to its creation. Deep blue prototype existed in 1995. They should use a different name if they wanted people not to believe that Fritz beated deep blue. They could call it Deep thoughtIII if they wanted and claim that Deep blue is only the next version that is going to play kasparov. Uri
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