Author: emerson tan
Date: 09:36:20 10/16/02
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On October 16, 2002 at 12:03:31, Andrew Williams wrote: >On October 16, 2002 at 11:52:09, Randall Shane wrote: > >>On October 16, 2002 at 11:19:47, Uri Blass wrote: >> >>> >>>There are 3 possibilities: >>> >>>1)Hsu is not interested in making money >>>He is interested only in beating >>>kasparov or kramnik. >>> >>>If deep blue chip can beat all >>>the top programs of today then I expect >>>people to buy it(but people need first to >>>see a proof by a match against the top programs >>>of today when Hsu does not have the opponent). >>> >>>2)Hsu does not believe that he can make money >>>from a new chip or IBM does not allow him >>>to make money from a new chip(I do not >>>understand a lot of details >>>about it for example why does IBM forbid him >>>to discover all the details about deep blue >>>evaluation) >>> >>>It make IBM looks bad and it seems that they >>>have things to hide. >>> >>>3)Hsu knows that he cannot create a chip that >>>is better than the top programs of today. >>> >>>Uri >> >>Disclaimer -- I work for IBM. However, I don't do chess for IBM, I don't >>anybody who worked on that project (or even anybody who knows anybody!), and the >>closest I've been to Watson Research Center is driving past it on the way to a >>Japanese steakhouse. I'm probably less qualified to tell you what IBM is >>thinking than your average Magic 8-Ball. Nevertheless... >> >>I'd think that it's a combination of #2 -- IBM didn't get to where it was by >>releasing information of any kind without a good reason -- and a #4 you're >>forgetting -- Dr. Hsu may just be really tired of it all. With all the >>unjustified crap he's taken in and out of the computer chess and business >>communities, and the fact that he's spent nearly all of his adult life doing >>computer chess, I can imagine where he may just want to Do Something Else. He's >>written a book, documented his life, maybe he just doesn't want to do it >>anymore. > >I've just finished reading "Behind Deep Blue" (which is EXCELLENT, by the way), >and you have pretty much hit the nail on the head. He says exactly this in the >Epilogue. > >Cheers > >Andrew The reason why hsu has taken a lot of crap is because there were still alot of questions he did not answer, or his answer is not as convincing as Deep Blue proving it. People will praise him if Deep Blue plays again and beat Kasparov and Kramnik under conditions that is fair to humans. deep Blue has to beat all leading programs also. If its easy for Deep Blue to beat them all, then why doesnt it play them all. Beating them all will give more marketing value for IBM. Avoiding a match will always give doubt. Hsu is a scientist, he should know that a 6 game match with an out of form kasparov due to lack of information and fear of the unknown does not constitute a domination of deep Blue. Its just like they get a chance of 1 up and quickly leave. I think Hsu is still interested in computer chess or he will not be talking about it. Anybody who has a dream in life need money to achieve it faster.Hsu is no exception. I think he is also interested in making money. Ibm should let deep blue play to answer the questions. But then , maybe Ibm is afraid that there's some program out there that can beat Deep Blue because in computer chess, if a beat b, and b beat c, it doesnt mean a can beat c. It would cause embarrasment. A lot of people are alredy saying that IBM was embarras when Fritz beat Deep Blue in 1995. Deep Blue never competed again because the championship is a short tournament and the role of chance is big especially if you have a hole in your opening books. The kasparov Ibm match is also short so the role of chance is also bigger. Now Hsu is denying that Fritz beat Deep Blue in 1995. The official entry reads deep blue and it was hsus team who entered it, so doubts about hsus statements comes to mind again.Like I said, some of the craps hsu receive are the result of him.
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