Author: Russell Reagan
Date: 15:20:46 10/16/02
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On October 16, 2002 at 15:50:45, Thorsten Czub wrote: >no - the best program in the ssdf-list is playing kramnik. Fritz being on top of the SSDF list has nothing to do with it playing Kramnik. Fritz played Junior to decide who would play Kramnik. Shredder was also invited to participate, but declined. >you mix computer-computer and computer-human results and statistics. No, I don't. I am fully aware that SSDF ratings are not the same as FIDE ratings or any other rating pool. I'm also fully aware that the best engine against computers is not necessarilly the best engine against humans. That has little to do with this discussion though. The point is you obviously don't know how Fritz got to be playing Kramnik. >>Shredder made the decision on it's own not to participate. Hiarcs and Rebel, >>while strong engines, have consistently been a half step behind the top engines >>like Fritz. > >where ? I recall hearing about it a long time ago. I'm not sure where exactly. Probably rec.games.chess.computer. Later on I read an article about it in Wired magazine. >i don't remember that fritz won a championship far from hong kong. I'm sorry that you don't remember it. That doesn't change the fact that it happened. >rebel played many strong players. so...? >how can you come to this wrong conclusion ? It seems you are the only one with the wrong conclusion here. Maybe if you knew how Fritz got here and didn't just assume it was because it was on the top of the SSDF rating list you wouldn't be so confused. >fritz leads the ssdf-list. in the moment. >thats all. That isn't all, as previously explained. Actually, that has nothing to do with it. >it is not champion nor the best program against humans. That also has nothing to do with it. >IMO you want to desinform about this. IMO you are clueless about this. >computer-computer is not the same as computer - human. It doesn't take a genius to figure that out. >any expert in the computerchess community knows this. >what about your knowledge about this ? What about my knowledge of what? >>Either the articles I read were wrong, or you didn't read anything about how >>Fritz got to be in the position it's in. It's now safe to conclude that the article I read wasn't wrong... Maybe you don't agree with the decision of the organizers to only invite Fritz, Junior, and Shredder, but that doesn't mean Kramnik has some deal with the Fritz team and he's intentionally losing games. Everyone acts like this is a giant marketing conspiracy that has been in the works for years between Kramnik and the Fritz team, even though it could just as easily be Junior or Shredder playing Kramnik instead of Fritz. Here are a few sites I found that talk about how Fritz got to play Kramnik. I'm sure you're capable of doing a web search and further researching the topic if you'd like to inform yourself before lashing out again about something you weren't informed about. http://www.rebel.nl/kramnik.htm http://www.chesscenter.com/twic/event/kramfrit01/ Personally I don't think that only selecting Fritz, Junior, and Shredder as participants was a fair way to determine the best challenger for Kramnik. However, it's their party, so they can run it however they'd like. Is it fair? No. But people act like their rights were violated or something because someone didn't invite them to their party.
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